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Zion Williamson Bust Watch
- Thread starter Dr. Fauci
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NOSaintsFan02
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We hovering on neg train yet, brehs? 
We hovering on neg train yet, brehs?
I'll spare this clown cause a coli hate thread is a near 100% guarantee the recipient will go on to have a long, dominant career. Just ask LeBron, Tom Brady, etc. etc.; most foolproof reverse jynx you'll find is a bitter hot take thread on here
Dude is out there learning how to play the game.
Van Gundy found something with putting Zion at the high post and at the top of the key and letting him play driving lanes and using his massive frame and athleticism to attack the rim.
Van Gundy found something with putting Zion at the high post and at the top of the key and letting him play driving lanes and using his massive frame and athleticism to attack the rim.
Zion balling man. Glad to see it.
DetroitEWarren
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Bro is already the best offensive big man at the age of 20 
He is the most guaranteed bucket in the whole league
. Everytime he touches the ball you expect a clean look at the basket, no matter where he starts the possession from.
He is also GOAT level at finishing with contact. I never thought I'd see anyone as big, athletic, and controlled going to the basket as Lebron but Zion is a better finisher. Not as fast but he can get there easier in the half court which is ridiculous.
He is the most guaranteed bucket in the whole league
. Everytime he touches the ball you expect a clean look at the basket, no matter where he starts the possession from.He is also GOAT level at finishing with contact. I never thought I'd see anyone as big, athletic, and controlled going to the basket as Lebron but Zion is a better finisher. Not as fast but he can get there easier in the half court which is ridiculous.
Also to note this is the first game of his career he'd been in foul trouble like that. He never had 5 fouls in any game prior (not sure if he finished with 5 fouls this game I just know he sat most of the 2nd with 3 fouls)20 pts in 21 mins (foul trouble)
Yeah Zion wasn't the problem with their early shytty play it was everybody else. They've all stepped their games up and found their grooves hence why they're winning now. This thread was retarded from the get go. Zion's ceiling is stupid crazy and even if he doesn't reach it his floor is high as fukk too.
DetroitEWarren
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I'll take your silence as you not believing the shyt you wrote - just mindless fandom bullshyt.
First of all, the camera angle and distance, and the stances they're all in don't accurately reflect their heights, and judging by the eye-line between Zion and Lonzo, there doesn't seem to be a significant margin (2+ inch difference) where this would be even worth posting. Second of all, I liked how you completely neglected to address his wingspan, considering it probably has more influence than height does; his wingspan is below-average for a 3 (let alone comparing him to big men who he'll most probably be playing against).
And no, he doesn't have the same frame as Miami LeBron; his frame is considerably smaller. The lastest measurements I can find for Zion:
Standing reach - 8'7 (whereas LeBron is/was 8'9.5)
Wingspan - 6'10 (whereas LeBron is/was 7'0.25).
This is why I said his success is going to be nearly completely reliant on developing an outside shot, because his frame isn't going to allow him to dominate against big men [and in the paint] in the league. I mean, hell, we already saw his shyt get packed in a Summer League game multiple times trying to get his shot off because of his lack of size.
How many players currently, or throughout history, have been undersized for a 3, yet dominated the league without having a jumpshot? I'll wait.
What a nonsensical reference point.
Not only is Giannis' success also reliant upon him developing an outside shot, but he stands at 6'11, with a 7ft-and-a-half wingspan (plus, the third-largest hands in NBA history), so he's less reliant on an outside shot than Zion is, because he basically towers over everyone that's on the floor. Meanwhile, Zion's out here barely standing over Lonzo.
It's going to take some sort of miracle for him to "comfortably" average those numbers.
For starters, for him to average five assists, either Lonzo and/or Jrue and/or Ingram will have to go down injured (he's NOT averaging that amount of assists if they all stay healthy), or the Pelicans have the most high-powered offense in history for all four of them to average a high-amount of assists. And if the former ends up being the result, and he averages five assists - 16 points on 52 FG% seems abnormally high that he'd be producing at a rate for a rookie on an understrength lottery team, likely playing in a position and a role that he's not comfortable in (which would affect his efficiency). And if the latter is true, then the Pelicans would likely be the #1 seed.
LeBron was nowhere near that efficient in his first season, and he was far more advanced as a scorer than Zion was at the same age.
I think it's safe to say he's not going to be comfortably averaging those numbers. Plus, nobody should be looking at his box score #s to evaluate his season/growth. Y'all nikkas need to come up off that.
Chillin wit the lil one tonight so I got time for fukkery
DetroitEWarren
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@Gil Scott-Heroin has a long ass detailed post about how Zion has no handle and will never be able to run an offense 
Dawg is literally the best playmaker on the team 42 games into his career.
@Gil Scott-Heroin was literally wrong about every single projection. Take this neg bytch
Dawg is literally the best playmaker on the team 42 games into his career.
@Gil Scott-Heroin was literally wrong about every single projection. Take this neg bytch
DetroitEWarren
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Oh, no doubt, but Zion's going to learn very quickly that he won't be able to charge through the lane nor grab the second-chance rebounds that supplemented the majority of his scoring production in college. He's going to have to take more jumpers, and he's going to have to take more shots that he isn't typically used to taking, against greater pressure, and bigger and better defenders.
And he certainly doesn't strike me as someone who's just going to take the easy way out on offense (à la Julius Randle).
In a vacuum, it's definitely not out of the question. But it won't happen in junction with him averaging five assists - the circumstances set up for him to average that amount won't be there for him to average those points on that efficiency. He's not going to have the possessions for starters, and it'd take some all-time great performance from the Pelicans as a unit for him to have the luxury of averaging those type of numbers (or a # of the starters get injured).
And I don't know if the Pelicans will want to heap an unnecessary workload on him in his rookie season and risk injury.
It goes without saying that if he gets chances on the break, he'll eat, but his "mass and quickness' is only going to help him so much against NBA defenders in the post. Not saying you're guilty of this, but folks shouldn't make the mistake of thinking his grown man v. kids routine is going to be a reflection for what he'll do in the league, especially when most of the time, he saw little-to-no resistance in the post in college. If he had the appropriate height and wingspan, then it'd definitely mitigate the transition, but since he doesn't, it's going to take him a lot longer to work things out.
I can't really predict his numbers since it's going to be entirely reliant on his role and minutes (nor will his #s really reflect how well he's performing). But I'm definitely not expecting some other-worldly type shyt from him, certainly not early on anyway, especially given the Pels will have to work out how space the floor - it's not like he and Favors can operate in the same spaces with Lonzo and Ingram in the lineup.
Meal time for Z20 10-10 n the first half
O.T.I.S.
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DetroitEWarren
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I never paid attention to how fukking great a player Stephen Adams is. He has one of the best "presences" on the court I have ever seen from a role player.
Dawg has been huge for this team, literally and figuratively
Dawg has been huge for this team, literally and figuratively
I remember when dude was letting Westbrook steal his rebounds to average that triple double
