Yvette Carnell is exposing exactly where her loyalty lies right now

[Tom Foolery]

Roland didn’t build his media company from the ground up?

Not really. He went independent when he lost his major tv gig.

He built his base from his mainstream jobs he had before.

 

[saturn7]

Roland didn’t build his media company from the ground up?

Roland damaged his credibility when he was forwarding debate questions to the HRC campaign.
Also his constant begging to be put back on CNN or MSNBC and basically being another mouthpiece for the DNC leads to him having less grassroot support then someone like Umar.

 

[Buddy]

The thing is she's criticizing what Umar hasn't done, but what has she done? She's in the same category as him..........well, minus the donation money.

This is the elephant in the room. She got triggered by his comments and decided to get on her 'You haven't done anything' shtick but the reality is she's no different. I doubt anyone in the thread can actually say they're a chapter member of her org and none of them know when the chapters will open up. Just like no one knows when the school or museum will open.

 

[xoxodede]

It's funny because when you look at history the same argument was made during the lavender scare of the 50's. They didn't want any gay people within the government because if they were in the closet they would be susceptible to communist black male and would sell out the country in order to keep it private.

I recently read Black Freethinkers: A History of African American Secularism - and I learned that many of those who were behind the CRM were atheist.

Also, that only 25% of the enslaved believed in God and were religious - and we were lead to believe they were on plantations singing Lawd, Lawd, Lawd all day while in the fields.

But, in terms of the CRM - they had to hide their atheism cause of the backlash they would have gotten from our community. So, we do need to be careful about boxing out our people - cause we all have the same goal -- which is redress.

Blacks say atheists were unseen civil rights heroes

 

[xoxodede]

What is she expected to do that she is not doing?

IMO, she has moved the needle in advocacy and continue to raise awareness for the topic of redress to a larger audience. That audience is then influenced politically and socially to address redress in their communities and with their representatives.

That is her purpose. That's what I thought it was.

 

[Monsanto]

I agree with her on this. We other certain groups instead of finding a place for them within our ranks and then are surprised when they run into the arms of our enemies. Look at Ephialtes in that movie 300. Leonidas excluded him when he wanted to be helpful to his brothers, so nowhere to turn, he turns to Xerxes for acceptance.

But moreso, Umar is a hypocrite. He’s talking about not having gay leaders because he wants leaders who represent the strong black family unit but he’s not even married?

And are black women excluded from leadership? He’s saying black lgbt are excluded because of a conflicting dual allegiance with the LGBT movement but does that automatically presume all black women by nature of their gender are going to have dual allegiance with feminism?

His argument is faulty. What he’s basically saying is that only black males can’t be compromised and sellout and are therefore the only ones worthy of leadership and we know that’s far from the truth.

Same issue the Black Panthers had...

 

[omnifax]

Their loyalty was always to the lgbtq they simply utilized the bodies of dead black men to further their own agenda. When they were in good favor they were about what the lgbtq did with blm. When it's a controversy over funds being used for personal living then it suddenly is only a Black organization. Nope it was the lgbtq that did wrong with blm.

I agree with a minor correction, it was LGBTQ members within BLM that sold us out specifically the national representatives. If you examine many of the local chapters they didn't get any of the money people like Patrice Cullors made off with. So the organization in it's entirety isn't at fault.

Again the point Yvette was making is that we should judge black LGBTQ on their actions not solely on their identity. The context is Dr. Umar saying no black LGBTQ can be leaders within the community due to an alleged greater allegiance.

 

[omnifax]

The bolded is dead wrong. They were an LGBT group capitalizing off Black pain and death from the jump. Their mission statement was to end the Black Nuclear Family (man, woman, and children). They slowed down on the blatant LGBT messaging once they got called out on it. THEN they sold "us" out for money.

My point is that it didn't matter that they were LGBTQ in that they stole the money. If they were straight the fact of the matter is they stole the money and didn't support local chapters who's mission was not to end the black nuclear family. Just for example I'm here in Michigan and here is the website for the statewide BLM:

https://www.blmmichigan.org/

They are not talking about ending the nuclear family. Local chapters have been conflated with the national org and figureheads mentioned.

 

[Rell84shots]

She pointing out Baldwin but even BALDWIN was black first before anything. these black homosexuals in the spotlight these days put their sexuality FIRST AND SELLOUT THE ENTIRE TRIBE... But she not discussing that is she?!?

Exactly, The black LGBTQ community would hate James Baldwin if he were alive today.

 

[Strapped]

 

[Ziggiy]

I agree with her on this. We other certain groups instead of finding a place for them within our ranks and then are surprised when they run into the arms of our enemies. Look at Ephialtes in that movie 300. Leonidas excluded him when he wanted to be helpful to his brothers, so nowhere to turn, he turns to Xerxes for acceptance.

But moreso, Umar is a hypocrite. He’s talking about not having gay leaders because he wants leaders who represent the strong black family unit but he’s not even married?

And are black women excluded from leadership? He’s saying black lgbt are excluded because of a conflicting dual allegiance with the LGBT movement but does that automatically presume all black women by nature of their gender are going to have dual allegiance with feminism?

His argument is faulty. What he’s basically saying is that only black males can’t be compromised and sellout and are therefore the only ones worthy of leadership and we know that’s far from the truth.

Your overall argument is good but the bolded was a bad example.


Leonides DID offer Ephialtes a place within the camp it just wasn’t as a WARRIOR and the thats what Ephialtes wanted despite the fact that he would have been a military LIABILITY. He turned traitor NOT because he was rejected, but because he was denied a position he wasn’t physically qualified for

 

[Buddy]

What is she expected to do that she is not doing?

IMO, she has moved the needle in advocacy and continue to raise awareness for the topic of redress to a larger audience. That audience is then influenced politically and socially to address redress in their communities and with their representatives.

That is her purpose. That's what I thought it was.

It wouldn’t be an issue if she didn’t continuously pick fights and make criticisms that she herself has to work on. Umar has a “school” that no one can enroll in the same way she has an “organization” no one can actually join. It’s just on paper. Yet she’ll use that and clout from mainstream media to talk down in a know it all manner against people who actually are doing significant work. And I don’t mean Umar when ain’t say that.

She’d rather frame it as Umar making her a bad leader because she’s gay but gay or not— she’s just a bad leader. Take the comments in this video for example. A number of former chapter members and leaders are sharing their experience working with her. People say “she influenced the masses” but leave out how she’ll just as soon turn on them for trying to advocate if it’s not her way.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

You know that's the thing about this new age, Twitter age pro-blackness I will never understand. The fact that it's become less about raising awareness for our issues, more about discrediting awareness for other marginalized groups. Less focus on who and what's directly impacting us--ie: conservative railing through civil rights laws in the courts right now which Carnell, Umar, Tariq and all the "new black media" ignore--and more focus on these weirdo conspiracies and vague competitive rivalries concerning other marginalized groups that makes no damn sense.

The gay rights movement and women's right movements were invented just to undermine the black rights movement. Imagine being a total bigot in America, so you destroy one liberal movement by placing even greater and more inclusive liberal movements in it's place. Imagine roleplaying as a pro-black militant for a hustle but deep down being such an unwitting stooge for the very right wing fascist political interests you claim to be most fiercely against that this makes sense to you.

"Hey guys, these black people are getting too loud and folks are beginning to empathize with their movement. We are the most powerful, most militarized, and well funded intelligence agency on planet Earth, capable of taking down entire governments without a trace. What should we do!?"

"I got it! Let's start a gay rights protest movement right next to it! That'll calm all these marches and calls for social justice in America down!"

"Brilliant! In fact...let's stage Women's, Hispanic, and Asian rights movements too. Let's empower everyone to protest the government! We're geniuses!"

Thank God the likes of Umar Johnson are here to clue us in on the CIA's schemes.

Quoted for emphasis

 

[Cadillac]

Did Umar say something retarded?

i was referring to you, but yeah hes pretty stupid himself.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Queen Mother Yvette Carnell has spoken. FBA owes their entire movement to her and should pay homage as they do to Queen Mother Frances Cress Welsing