Young women are out-earning young men in several U.S. cities

[choc_cardigan]

I'd be very interested to see those #'s normalized to educational attainment. My first guess was that the much greater college graduation rate for women in recent years is a major factor.






I actually scrolled up to check myself before I even got to your comment, WTF is up with the women-hating comments as the goto response off the bat?

The shyt posters must be getting their feelings hurt in other threads. So they flood threads where they can safely shyt post like this one

 

[Gritsngravy]

I want to ask a question, just a question not my opinion on this matter, but the fact that women are competing more in the workforce does this mean the family structure falls apart in america, and some of the consequences we see today in the workforce is because women are competing with the men?
What’s y’all opinion

 

[MushroomX]

Solid, but I would like to know WHAT jobs these are. As we getting more into Technology-heavy jobs, I just wonder how much of these are STEM/STEAM jobs?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Yo, reading deeper into the thread, did the fact that "women" was in the title and it was trending just cause it to get a bunch of TLR attention?


The first 16 responses outside of Dora are either insulting/bytching about women or arguing with Dora.

Women are legitimately more important than men. They should get everything they want so they can be better and healthier and also so they stop complaining which would then make the workplace and men happier. It's just the right thing to do

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

I want to ask a question, just a question not my opinion on this matter, but the fact that women are competing more in the workforce does this mean the family structure falls apart in america, and some of the consequences we see today in the workforce is because women are competing with the men?
What’s y’all opinion

Social attitudes haven't adjusted
Women will blame patriarchy, but they help uphold it

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I want to ask a question, just a question not my opinion on this matter, but the fact that women are competing more in the workforce does this mean the family structure falls apart in america, and some of the consequences we see today in the workforce is because women are competing with the men?
What’s y’all opinion

The family structure isn’t falling apart, plenty of well adjusted families with two working parents. The issue is current times call for a two-income household for most couples, which means men need to step up more at home. While there are some gender norms I even still uphold in my mind, caregiving for kids and “homemaking” aren’t tasks just for women. Two working parents means dad needs to step up and cook dinner also, he needs to be on school pickup as often as mom, he needs to be doing laundry on the weekend as well, or completing homework with the kids on the weeknight. Families that struggle are those that need two parents working and then still offload all the care giving and household chores to the woman. There is give and take in this new setup.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim Pre K should be included in that as well. Working for an head start agency right now, 80+% women and the money they make is directly tied to the amount of education they get/have coming in.

My question to you is does anyone want to fix/challenge the issues men have getting higher education?
Especially when it may put women at risk

I don't think most of the issue for men is in getting higher education. Men have no problem getting higher education if they are qualified, and there is still evidence that women are actually discriminated against in the university classroom in several ways.

The big issue is with boys is getting quality primary education, which, if they don't, screws them down the road to the point where they're not qualified for higher education by the time they reach that point. I know some people are trying to address it because I've seen books published on the issue since I was in grad school 20 years ago. But overall the system is not addressing it for the same reason we're not addressing all of our other major educational issues - the main reason boys are struggling is because too many boys are ill-suited to the passive, discipline-focused nature of modern industrial education. And modern industrial education is such a behemoth supported by multiple factions as well as general inertia that it's proven extremely difficult to change.

Improving primary education would help girls as well as boys. But it's been difficult to convince people that the system is broken because that would mean admitting that the way they were educated was wrong, and most people have a difficult time admitting that.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I want to ask a question, just a question not my opinion on this matter, but the fact that women are competing more in the workforce does this mean the family structure falls apart in america, and some of the consequences we see today in the workforce is because women are competing with the men?
What’s y’all opinion

I think you have the cause-effect backwards. To me the greatest threat to the family structure is in inability of a family to support itself comfortably on a single income. That's the #1 reason why the Black family saw struggles earlier than the White family did - because so many pressures were making it difficult for a Black man to be a sufficient provider. Women who enter the workplace voluntarily, and who can also leave it voluntarily without repercussions, wouldn't threaten the family structure. Women in families who enter the workplace because they have to, because it's seen as necessary to provide for the family. are what threaten the family structure.

 

[BillBanneker]

Kind of interesting to see Tuscaloosa and Baton Rogue on the opposite end, would’ve thought the opposite.

 

[FeverPitch2]

shyt like this (and a ton of other similar responses) is making me wonder whether some of y'all can even read the OP.

In 16% of metro areas, young women make more than young men.

In 84% of metro areas, young men make more than young women.

Overall, young women in metro areas across the USA make 93% of what young men make.



Likely in 100% of non-metro areas, young men make more than young women.

Likely in 100% of all areas, 30+ year old men make more than 30+ year old women.



Y'all literally took an article that said a tiny subset of women had finally achieved income equality with men, while the vast majority of women still do not, and took that to mean there must not be an issue anymore.

You got the wrong one, joe.
You can dig on my posting history and see that I'm all for critical analysis of situations.
You're presenting stats without data. Even the stats you're presenting do not disprove the data presented in the OP.
The data presented is saying that in some metro areas young women out earn young men.
What I was commenting on was slightly tongue in cheek about the conflicting message that we are hearing from women themselves.
On social media daily, women are telling men that they are doing better than men and take great pleasure in classifying men in general as "broke".
Their definition of broke is "not a multi-millionaire".
Then they turn around and say that there is a standard wage gap and women are not being paid equally for the same jobs.
While there may be some truth to that assertion in some cases, is that the case across the board in both white collar and blue collar positions?
We do know that often Black workers, both male and female, are paid less than their white counterparts for the same jobs in some cases.
In order to gauge the severity of this practice, we need data from organized studies rather than anecdotal evidence. The EEOC is going to have to get more involved.
I'll allow that I am tough on modern women for being contradictory and not taking accountability for their own dysfunction.
I am not a mouth breathing He-Man Woman Hater by any measure, my brother.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You got the wrong one, joe.
You can dig on my posting history and see that I'm all for critical analysis of situations.
You're presenting stats without data. Even the stats you're presenting do not disprove the data presented in the OP.
The data presented is saying that in some metro areas young women out earn young men.
What I was commenting on was slightly tongue in cheek about the conflicting message that we are hearing from women themselves.
On social media daily, women are telling men that they are doing better than men and take great pleasure in classifying men in general as "broke".
Their definition of broke is "not a multi-millionaire".
Then they turn around and say that there is a standard wage gap and women are not being paid equally for the same jobs.
While there may be some truth to that assertion in some cases, is that the case across the board in both white collar and blue collar positions?
We do know that often Black workers, both male and female, are paid less than their white counterparts for the same jobs in some cases.
In order to gauge the severity of this practice, we need data from organized studies rather than anecdotal evidence. The EEOC is going to have to get more involved.
I'll allow that I am tough on modern women for being contradictory and not taking accountability for their own dysfunction.
I am not a mouth breathing He-Man Woman Hater by any measure, my brother.

I wasn't trying to disprove the data in the OP though, the data in the OP supports what I said.

How can you claim you're "data-oriented", and yet your entire argument is built around what some randoms say on social media? Are you referring to your friends? Policy-makers? Or just completely random women who might say troll with whatever meaningless for no other reason than to get the attention you're now giving them? Why should the meaningless statements of randoms even be entered into the discussion?

The data shows that as a whole, women make less than men, and this is true in almost all locations across almost all age classes. It varies to some degree by industry, and the reasons vary as well - there isn't just a single answer. We could have a serious discussion on it, but the entire first two pages of this thread suggest that no one wants a serious discussion.

 

[FeverPitch2]

I wasn't trying to disprove the data in the OP though, the data in the OP supports what I said.

How can you claim you're "data-oriented", and yet your entire argument is built around what some randoms say on social media? Are you referring to your friends? Policy-makers? Or just completely random women who might say troll with whatever meaningless for no other reason than to get the attention you're now giving them? Why should the meaningless statements of randoms even be entered into the discussion?

The data shows that as a whole, women make less than men, and this is true in almost all locations across almost all age classes. It varies to some degree by industry, and the reasons vary as well - there isn't just a single answer. We could have a serious discussion on it, but the entire first two pages of this thread suggest that no one wants a serious discussion.

You just wanna argue, breh.
I'm just not up for an afternoon of splitting hairs.

 

[Gritsngravy]

The family structure isn’t falling apart, plenty of well adjusted families with two working parents. The issue is current times call for a two-income household for most couples, which means men need to step up more at home. While there are some gender norms I even still uphold in my mind, caregiving for kids and “homemaking” aren’t tasks just for women. Two working parents means dad needs to step up and cook dinner also, he needs to be on school pickup as often as mom, he needs to be doing laundry on the weekend as well, or completing homework with the kids on the weeknight. Families that struggle are those that need two parents working and then still offload all the care giving and household chores to the woman. There is give and take in this new setup.

What I meant about families falling apart is the fact that people aren’t having kids or getting married like back in the day

 

[Gritsngravy]

I don't think most of the issue for men is in getting higher education. Men have no problem getting higher education if they are qualified, and there is still evidence that women are actually discriminated against in the university classroom in several ways.

The big issue is with boys is getting quality primary education, which, if they don't, screws them down the road to the point where they're not qualified for higher education by the time they reach that point. I know some people are trying to address it because I've seen books published on the issue since I was in grad school 20 years ago. But overall the system is not addressing it for the same reason we're not addressing all of our other major educational issues - the main reason boys are struggling is because too many boys are ill-suited to the passive, discipline-focused nature of modern industrial education. And modern industrial education is such a behemoth supported by multiple factions as well as general inertia that it's proven extremely difficult to change.

Improving primary education would help girls as well as boys. But it's been difficult to convince people that the system is broken because that would mean admitting that the way they were educated was wrong, and most people have a difficult time admitting that.

I think the plan was to always keep black kids undereducated, school in a way has a pay to win system in America

 

[Gritsngravy]

I think you have the cause-effect backwards. To me the greatest threat to the family structure is in inability of a family to support itself comfortably on a single income. That's the #1 reason why the Black family saw struggles earlier than the White family did - because so many pressures were making it difficult for a Black man to be a sufficient provider. Women who enter the workplace voluntarily, and who can also leave it voluntarily without repercussions, wouldn't threaten the family structure. Women in families who enter the workplace because they have to, because it's seen as necessary to provide for the family. are what threaten the family structure.

I believe the system was always set up for black families to be at the bottom, but what happens when white women want more power and want to make just as much money as men when the system was set up for white women to be straight