Yes, Joe Biden Is Old. Is That All Republicans Have to Run On?

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Yes, Joe Biden Is Old. Is That All Republicans Have to Run On?​


By the way, Donald Trump is only three years younger.
BY MOLLY JONG-FAST
JULY 12, 2023


The Republican National Committee wants everyone to know that President Joe Biden, like many Americans on a hot Saturday in July, was at the beach. “A shirtless Joe Biden enjoys a relaxing day at the beach,” read a tweet from the RNC’s research arm. “Biden has spent 353 days — 39.2% of his presidency — on vacation.”

The tweet, which included a video of Biden on the beach, was later branded with a community note: “This count includes any days not spent at the White House, including weekends, which Biden spends in Delaware. Presidents may still work while away from the White House and are, in fact, expected to travel as part of diplomatic outreach.” Nevertheless, the tweet surely served its purpose in accusing Biden of lying down on the job, but also, by showing him “shirtless,” in reminding voters that the president is 80 years old. If the RNC’s tweet was more implicitly highlighting the president’s senior status, some on the right have been more explicit. “Yes, Biden Is Too Old to Serve as President,” declared the editors of National Review.

It seems that Republicans are obsessed with Biden’s age because that’s pretty much all they have to run on in 2024. In recent election cycles, Republicans could run on opposing mask mandates (no longer relevant); crime (the murder rate is falling); the Southern border (ending Title 42 was supposed to result in a sea of migrants, yet daily crossings are significantly down); inflation (also down), opposition to abortion (they already got Roe overturned, a politically unpopular move); and anti-LGBTQ+ rights. Sure, Republicans will still exaggerate the potential crisis that crime and inflation and unchecked immigration could pose, and stoke fears about “wokeness” run amok. But it’ll be harder to sell such talking points to journalists—and importantly—voters.


Whereas Biden is actually old. A May 2023 NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll showed that “almost 4 in 10 Democrats said his mental fitness was a real concern as did 7 in 10 independents and, as expected, more than 8 in 10 Republicans.” The president’s age is certainly fair game in covering the upcoming election; Vanity Fair, for one, has explored the issue.


But that doesn’t mean Biden’s status as an octogenarian is going to propel Republicans back to the White House. Because the Biden age discourse only works if he’s running against a much younger candidate, like Florida governor Ron DeSantis (44), Miami mayor Francis Suarez, or tech bro Vivek Ramaswamy (37). And while some in the GOP field—along with one self-described Democrat—are trying to out-push-up each other in a kind of testosterone primary, it increasingly looks like Donald Trump’s nomination to lose. Maybe these guys have a shot if Trump gets hit by lightning, though it’s just as easy to see the 77-year-old former guy keep going and win the nomination anyway.

Republicans are hoping they can use age as a cudgel to beat the president. But opening the door to this could boomerang back at them. The problem for Republicans is that Biden is only three years older than Trump. In 2020, voters compared the two men and Biden won. It’s hard to imagine how, three years later, Biden will seem less healthy than Trump. After all, Biden is athletic. He starts every morning on the Peloton and lifting weights; he goes to bed early. Biden is photographed exercising, and Trump is known for his love of fast food (though leans more toward McDonald’s than Dairy Queen).

There are lots of voters who like fast food more than exercise, myself included, but if your platform is essentially “my guy is healthier,” the fast-food pics are going to hurt your case. Or, Republicans can hope voters take the assurance of now-MAGA congressman Ronny Jackson, who, as White House physician, declared that Trump “has incredibly good genes, and it’s just the way God made him.” But we also know Trump was hospitalized for COVID during his presidency, and who was likely sicker than his administration admitted.

In 2020, Trump and his allies tried making the case that Biden wasn’t up to the job of being president. “We can’t lock ourselves up in a basement like Joe does,” Trump said during the final debate. “He has this thing about living in a basement.” Republicans lowered expectations for Biden’s speaking ability so much so that it actually helped him, as his debate performances defied expectation by many multiples. Trumpworld was bitten by its own bizarre tactic. Biden often says, “don’t compare me to the Almighty. Compare me to the alternative.” And he’s absolutely right. When it comes to Trump, Biden looks like a spry, energetic Lincoln. Add to that, the twice-impeached Trump is also facing the enormous stress of multiple criminal indictments (with January 6–related charges potentially on the way).

It’s hard to argue Biden is hiding out ahead of the 2024 election. Biden just spent the past several days in the UK and Europe meeting with King Charles and then heading to the NATO summit. No crazy late-night tweets—or “truths.” Just normal diplomatic work. Though he did skip a NATO leadership dinner, which the White House explained was because Biden has four days of official business and was preparing for Wednesday’s speech in Vilnius, Lithuania. His absence at a dinner made some apparently gleeful on the right, with Abigail Marone, communications director for Senator Josh Hawley, posting that picture of Biden shirtless at the beach and noting that was “literally *3* days ago.” On Tuesday night, Fox News host Jesse Watters criticized Biden for missing the dinner before going on an extended riff about the president on the beach, “laying like a corpse, bare-chested in the Sun.”

None of us know what will happen in the future. So much of punditry is trying to make predictions that don’t make you look like a moron when the future suddenly takes a wild turn, as it often does. We could see a completely different presidential contest than 2020, but it’s looking more and more like we’ll see 2020 Part Two. This means that political parties have a chance to learn from their mistakes, but Republicans probably won’t, as they appear poised to nominate Trump despite all of his baggage. They think they can nail Biden on his age and make voters vote against him for it. Voter turnout is typically highest among people over the age of 65, so by making Biden’s age a central focus, Republicans risk alienating these very voters.

It’s hard for Republicans to pick on Biden when their own guy seems winded driving a golf cart, but hypocrisy has never stopped Republicans before.
 

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I mean I think he’s done a good job, but let’s be real he’s not just old he’s like not even fully there. The amount of ‘old people dementia’ moments he’s had is insane.

People went crazy on Trump whenever he said something stupid (which was often) but Biden’s frequent slip up get ignored by everybody aside from right wing Twitter accounts.
 

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I mean I think he’s done a good job, but let’s be real he’s not just old he’s like not even fully there. The amount of ‘old people dementia’ moments he’s had is insane.

People went crazy on Trump whenever he said something stupid (which was often) but Biden’s frequent slip up get ignored by everybody aside from right wing Twitter accounts.

Reagan wasn't fully there either
 

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I mean I think he’s done a good job, but let’s be real he’s not just old he’s like not even fully there. The amount of ‘old people dementia’ moments he’s had is insane.

People went crazy on Trump whenever he said something stupid (which was often) but Biden’s frequent slip up get ignored by everybody aside from right wing Twitter accounts.

have those "frequent slips" been linked to bad or ineffectual policy coming out of the white house?

people got at trump because he had diarrhea of the mouth and his policies were harmful to anybody who wasn't a christofacist, rich and white or making him and his associates richer.
 

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have those "frequent slips" been linked to bad or ineffectual policy coming out of the white house?

people got at trump because he had diarrhea of the mouth and his policies were harmful to anybody who wasn't a christofacist, rich and white or making him and his associates richer.

Go look at the first sentence of my post……….

I think he’s done a really fine job handling this post-COVID shyt plate, and if he runs again I’m voting for him.

That doesn’t negate the fact that he is mentally deteriorating. It’s not a Biden problem, it’s a US Gov’t problem that the institution is obsessed with running candidates who are 70+ years old.
 

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Go look at the first sentence of my post……….

I think he’s done a really fine job handling this post-COVID shyt plate, and if he runs again I’m voting for him.

That doesn’t negate the fact that he is mentally deteriorating. It’s not a Biden problem, it’s a US Gov’t problem that the institution is obsessed with running candidates who are 70+ years old.

what i'm saying is faced with an increasingly right-wing GOP, few democrats will complain about some verbal flubs until that translates to botched policy. a massive compromise after seeing what the trump presidency cost left-leaning politics, bidens age is just a bitter pill most folks will swallow when faced with the alternative of a republican presidency. It's not just these politicians age, lots of them are lawyers or business owners out of their depth on many subjects especially on tech policy.
 

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what i'm saying is faced with an increasingly right-wing GOP, few democrats will complain about some verbal flubs until that translates to botched policy. a massive compromise after seeing what the trump presidency cost left-leaning politics, bidens age is just a bitter pill most folks will swallow when faced with the alternative of a republican presidency. It's not just these politicians age, lots of them are lawyers or business owners out of their depth on many subjects especially on tech policy.

I mean this is obvious. Democrats aren’t the one who point out his age and mental state, it’s republicans

I think Biden has done a really good job but when I say Biden I mean him and the team he has around him.

And republicans seem more willing to compromise with him than they did Obama (we know why). That’s allowed Biden to get more done which is why his presidency has been more effective than Obama’s in my opinion.
 

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Its not like Trump is younger or was a good president. GOP and Dems are in the wilderness.
I think it’s because we’re about to see the boomers leave power. It’s going to be rough for a while, on the low the Dems should heavily lean on Gen X Obama, but I don’t know if he wants to be a defacto king maker that he could be.

Republicans are going to have to fight for the soul of their party because the base can’t keep sending losers and expecting the money to pay for them to lose. Trump was such an aberration they can’t keep the charade going forever. Especially after he loses a second time.
 

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I think it’s because we’re about to see the boomers leave power. It’s going to be rough for a while, on the low the Dems should heavily lean on Gen X Obama, but I don’t know if he wants to be a defacto king maker that he could be.

Republicans are going to have to fight for the soul of their party because the base can’t keep sending losers and expecting the money to pay for them to lose. Trump was such an aberration they can’t keep the charade going forever. Especially after he loses a second time.
Obama was kingmaker in 2020.

The problem boomers refuse to leave and Gen Xers are weak.
 

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Obama was kingmaker in 2020.

The problem boomers refuse to leave and Gen Xers are weak.
You’re right he was by default but It’s different to back your VP than to be a King maker. In 2028 he should have candidates knocking at his door wanting an endorsement and Idk if he is the type to do that.

He’ll give speeches like Clinton for the nominee but will he actively be involved is another question. Especially after the changes he tried to make the the DNC when he was president was a major reason they didn’t have their shyt together in 2014 & 2016.
 

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I mean this is obvious. Democrats aren’t the one who point out his age and mental state, it’s republicans

I think Biden has done a really good job but when I say Biden I mean him and the team he has around him.

And republicans seem more willing to compromise with him than they did Obama (we know why). That’s allowed Biden to get more done which is why his presidency has been more effective than Obama’s in my opinion.

There's a few reasons that Biden has had more of an opening to achieve his legislative agenda than Obama. The two major reasons are: (1.) He entered his Presidency in the midst of a global crisis (also one of the reasons FDR had an opening to create a social safety net for America) (2.) The Democratic party, and its Congressional members, have moved further left than they were during Obama's time. It's part of why they have managed to pass landmark legislation with a 50/50 margin in the Senate

Yes, you are right in that race plays a part, it is less easy to depict Pennsylvania Joe as a threat to America than with Obama.

But yet another reason is that Biden's agenda is popular with Americans. The numbers for things like lowering the prices for prescription drugs, raising taxes on corporations and the rich, lowering healthcare costs, expansion of Medicare services for the elderly, etc. are astounding.

My point being, there were a lot of factors outside his control that created an environment with conditions where Biden could implement his agenda. But he deserves a lot of credit for the execution.
 
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