y'all think Frank Matthews still alive?

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So today was the 52nd anniversary of when he got locked up in Vegas---->January 5, 1973...

He was from near here (Durham) and everything I've been able to research says he maintained ties to friends and family here in Durham until he disappeared. He got outta jail in NY on April 26, 1973, and the last known sighting of him was June 26, 1973...

There is no concrete evidence either way that he's dead or alive. If you go thru and watch documentaries and/or read up on him, there's also no strong consensus, on whether he's dead or alive----->if you listen to people who knew him, whether associates, adversaries, friends of family, or law enforcement, there's nearly a 50/50 split on whether he's dead or alive. They all have different opinions...

He'd be turning 81 next month, if he's still alive. For the record, Whitey Bulger was 81 when he was captured in 2011 after 16½ years on the run. The longest fugitive who was captured, was on the run for 56 years, so at coming up on 52 years, this shyt is approaching the longest fugitive run ever, if he's alive and ever captured...

What I'll say, far as my opinion, is this:

Research into him shows several people in law enforcement, believed he was being protected by family in Durham after his disappearance. Also, there's nothing I've seen, of any of his family members, ever going on record, either on film or in print, about his disappearance, which to me is a clear signal that there's some validity that he had help in hiding...

There's the thing that his girlfriend's parents, traveled to Venezuela, at least once, in the years after his disappearance...

At the same time, if you go to FBI's or the Marshal's top fugitive lists right now, he's not on there. Not on either one. Which, an argument has been made that the statute of limitations has long expired on his case; that his original case file disappeared decades ago; etc. If he's alive he'd likely know both of these things...

But I also think not being on the fugitives list for years, is an indication that The Feds think he's dead, because he WAS on the most wanted lists in the 70s. I can't pinpoint exactly when he dropped off, but most things seem to indicate that some time in the 80s, he was removed off most wanted lists...

Law enforcement spent decades chasing leads about him, as recently as the mid-2010s. So I think there are randoms that still follow believable leads, but I do think following the tea leaves, the major fugitive tracking agencies in the US seem to think he's dead...

I'd be inclined to agree. As to if he's dead, how he died, there are at least a half-dozen theories, so who knows...

I personally think he got away with it initially. But he also was known to have heart issues and a coke problem. Living 52 years on the run with heart issues you were said to have in your 20s, seems to defy all logic. So I don't know how long he lived afterwards, but I don't buy that he died soon after his disappearance, and I dont really buy that The Mafia got to him. Those honkies can't keep secrets, and especially wouldn't keep the secret of murdering a loud mouth black man...

Here's another thing too, several people in law enforcement seem to believe that the girlfriend he fled with, Cheryl Brown, came back to the US by the early 80s and just reblended into society. I saw this mentioned by a couple different people in law enforcement, but they also said she lived really incognito and under the radar and the trace on her was lost at some point...

I don't think he's still alive, because I don't think a mf having heart issues in his 20s lives 52 years after. I think the Marshals and FBI removing him off most wanted lists some time in the 80s, infers that federal authorities think he's gone, so he's probably been dead and gone since the 80s. And I think the family he was close to, just lost contact with him after some time, and don't know what happened to him...

I do think there are people he was close to in '73 who knew more info than they provided. You gotta think those people, virtually all of them, are either dead and gone in 2025, or senile. I doubt there is more than one or two people MAX walking around down here, who are still alive, who personally knew him...

Of course, I could be way the fukk wrong 🤣 and if you watch various YouTube videos, you'll see a few people in the comments of each video, who claim yo know how and when he died, or that he's still alive 🤣 I don't know shyt. This is just my most logical hypothesis, I think he's been dead since some point in the 80s but that he fled the US in '73...
 

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If he had heart issues back in the day, I'd say he's most likely dead.
He disappeared at 29 years old, last confirmed sighting 6/26/73. There's been a ton of alleged sightings in the 50+ years since, but he was 29 at the last confirmed sighting...

Its illogical to think that a man, who had heart issues at the age of 29, is able to live 50+ years beyond that. Anything is possible, so I don't believe that it's impossible that he's alive today, or that he lived multiple decades after.......but I'm erring on the side of logic with this one.

A man who had heart issues in his youth, in his 20s, is most likely not alive here 52 years later, and considering other aspects surrounding his life and disappearance, he probably died before 1990...

The funniest thing about his story is that there just isn't any verifiable, concrete proof on either side, that he is dead now, or died at some point, nor any verifiable, concrete proof that he's alive...

One of the videos I saw, said that there was a tip some time in the early 2010s, that he was in North Carolina, at a city/town that law enforcement refused to disclose, and that he was joining family for Thanksgiving. They got the drop on these people who are family members, and surveilled Thanksgiving Day as well as the days around it, and he never showed up....

That law enforcement person was from the Brooklyn DA's office, I believe...

I will say, that if someone is making the argument that he's still alive, the fact that there's literally nothing on video or in print from any relative of his speaking about him, can certainly be taken as a clue that he's alive, and still being protected, as law enforcement in '73 said. There's alot of people who've spoken on the record about him...

Not a single person who is related to him, though. So that's a point in favor of those who think he's alive...
He’s dead but he’s a legend. He needs to be honored more.
I think he's a legend just for the fact he ducked prosecution and disappeared without a trace. I don't know about honoring him though, the man did run out on his kids and his son in the 90s said he hadn't heard from him, and law enforcement felt he was telling the truth. Matter fact I think two of his sons, came into trouble with the law between the 80s and early 00s, and both said they hadn't heard from him...

The mother of his children was watched for many years after his disappearance and there was no indication that she ever heard from him...

I get running, but I don't get not looking out for your family, leaving your kids to fend for themselves. They say his BM and kids ended up in Cincinnati in the 80s to rebuild their lives. One of his sons had an active IG as of 2022 though, and that son appears to be back in New York...

So for me personally, not supporting your children, is near the top of most dishonorable things you can do...
I assumed he was killed offshore, or he turned state's evidence.

The funny thing about most non-Black organized criminals is that they almost always snitch - particularly mob/mafia members.
That is one of the rumors, that he was killed in The Bahamas by The Mafia. I don't buy it though...

I think he's long dead and if he died, it was either natural causes or overdose, or if he was murdered, it was unrelated to his past here in the US. But these are just guesses...

One thing thats interesting is, a number of people said he either came back to the US often to visit after he left, or that he eventually relocated back here permanently. There are alot of people connected to his story who don't believe he just permanently left the US---->though there are others who said he's in Africa or The Caribbean or South America...

He and his girlfriend flew outta Houston bit shyt wasn't documented as tightly back then as it is now, so there's nothing concrete on where he went. I do think there's enough plausible theory to assume he left the country, mf's just don't know where. Personally I think he hit The Caribbean or Venezuela, he went somewhere he was comfortable with...

Obviously no hard evidence but it's believable to me that he came back to the US at some point, if only to visit. But I don't think he stayed away permanently after he left, the context clues say he probably came back at least for a visit...

Also he and The Mafia were ratting on each other...
 
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He disappeared at 29 years old, last confirmed sighting 6/26/73. There's been a ton of alleged sightings in the 50+ years since, but he was 29 at the last confirmed sighting...

Its illogical to think that a man, who had heart issues at the age of 29, is able to live 50+ years beyond that. Anything is possible, so I don't believe that it's impossible that he's alive today, or that he lived multiple decades after.......but I'm erring on the side of logic with this one.

A man who had heart issues in his youth, in his 20s, is most likely not alive here 52 years later, and considering other aspects surrounding his life and disappearance, he probably died before 1990...

The funniest thing about his story is that there just isn't any verifiable, concrete proof on either side, that he is dead now, or died at some point, nor any verifiable, concrete proof that he's alive...

One of the videos I saw, said that there was a tip some time in the early 2010s, that he was in North Carolina, at a city/town that law enforcement refused to disclose, and that he was joining family for Thanksgiving. They got the drop on these people who are family members, and surveilled Thanksgiving Day as well as the days around it, and he never showed up....

That law enforcement person was from the Brooklyn DA's office, I believe...

I will say, that if someone is making the argument that he's still alive, the fact that there's literally nothing on video or in print from any relative of his speaking about him, can certainly be taken as a clue that he's alive, and still being protected, as law enforcement in '73 said. There's alot of people who've spoken on the record about him...

Not a single person who is related to him, though. So that's a point in favor of those who think he's alive...

I think he's a legend just for the fact he ducked prosecution and disappeared without a trace. I don't know about honoring him though, the man did run out on his kids and his son in the 90s said he hadn't heard from him, and law enforcement felt he was telling the truth. Matter fact I think two of his sons, came into trouble with the law between the 80s and early 00s, and both said they hadn't heard from him...

The mother of his children was watched for many years after his disappearance and there was no indication that she ever heard from him...

I get running, but I don't get not looking out for your family, leaving your kids to fend for themselves. They say his BM and kids ended up in Cincinnati in the 80s to rebuild their lives. One of his sons had an active IG as of 2022 though, and that son appears to be back in New York...

So for me personally, not supporting your children, is near the top of most dishonorable things you can do...

That is one of the rumors, that he was killed in The Bahamas by The Mafia. I don't buy it though...

I think he's long dead and if he died, it was either natural causes or overdose, or if he was murdered, it was unrelated to his past here in the US. But these are just guesses...

One thing thats interesting is, a number of people said he either came back to the US often to visit after he left, or that he eventually relocated back here permanently. There are alot of people connected to his story who don't believe he just permanently left the US---->though there are others who said he's in Africa or The Caribbean or South America...

He and his girlfriend flew outta Houston bit shyt wasn't documented as tightly back then as it is now, so there's nothing concrete on where he went. I do think there's enough plausible theory to assume he left the country, mf's just don't know where. Personally I think he hit The Caribbean or Venezuela, he went somewhere he was comfortable with...

Obviously no hard evidence but it's believable to me that he came back to the US at some point, if only to visit. But I don't think he stayed away permanently after he left, the context clues say he probably came back at least for a visit...

Also he and The Mafia were ratting on each other...
I believe he had another family.
 

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I believe he had another family.
This is entirely plausible because everyone around him said he had a good relationship with his kids and their mother...

Who just dips on they family with literally no contact ever again, unless you have another one?

This also strengthens the theory that his relatives in North Carolina helped hide and protect him after his disappearance, because wouldn't your relatives wanna keep contact with your kids?
 

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Somebody disappeared him
Do you think that whoever did would be quiet this long, though?

We know it wasn't law enforcement, because it would've been a feather in they cap that they got him, given he jumped bail...

Would the Genovese mf's really keep this shyt a secret? Like a number of guys have spoken on record, that The Mafia killed Jimmy Hoffa, even though there's no proof. There's no Mafia guys on record claiming responsibility for killing Matthews, just unsubstantiated rumors in the wind...

If they got him, there would be someone(s) willing to go on record that they did it, even if there was no proof...

The only other group I heard, who could've killed him, was the Philadelphia Black Mafia, as there were disputes there and they killed a couple guys he was affiliated with. But black street clicks also aren't tight-lipped, they'd have long claimed responsibility for it too...

Who would be able to keep quiet this long that they killed him? The only answer is, someone random unaffiliated with his past, or maybe the Venezuelans...
 
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