Xbox 720 will have dual APU

[Loose]

Imo if it had a double APU

it would be the 360 SOC for BC which would be huge in it self.

but most likely the next xbox will have a ARM chip for OS functions.

 

[Jax]

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[ridge]

quick google search...no ones tlking about this..no one credible..few forum threads with minimal pages

nothing to see here

 

[CurrencyChase]

Another dude talking about shyt you don't know. The type of ram used and the amount of ram used aren't interchangeable concepts in order to "fully utilize a dual apu efficiently" gddr5 only offers and advantage for the gpu side of things. Ddr3 is better for use on the CPU side of things. If a ram change is needed it would be to add more of either type. In this case the type of ram doesn't matter, but the amount does.

The Ps3 had ram bottle necking issues due to the amount of ram, not the type.

A dual apu setup would increase motherboard complexity thereby costing ms more money to produce the console. It would also create headaches for developers by increasing programming complexity.

What i believe their gameplan is:



Apu #1 : Very limited cutdown low power, accessible only to system OS and used for dashboard / media / always on. Not usable by devs.

Apu #2 : Game APU accesssible to devs plus OS.

Same setup has been used in macbook pros for years. Very standard these days, would be of limited note worthiness if in durango. Is purely about reducing noise/power/heat when in media hub use.

But this setup would make the console expensive, and harder to develop for but not good enough to compete with the Geforce Titan and on par with the PS4 but no gddr5..

Basically the system would be as powerful as the ps4, but pricier, harder to develop for..But the biggest problem of all and the fact that would would not outperform the ps4 is because of the lack of ram and the fact that one APU would be dedicated to kinect, and heat reduction..

$599-$699...not because its superior but because of the way it was poorly constructed due to the focus on kinect..

 

[MeachTheMonster]

A dual apu setup would increase motherboard complexity thereby costing ms more money to produce the console. It would also create headaches for developers by increasing programming complexity.

What i believe their gameplan is:



Apu #1 : Very limited cutdown low power, accessible only to system OS and used for dashboard / media / always on. Not usable by devs.

Apu #2 : Game APU accesssible to devs plus OS.

Same setup has been used in macbook pros for years. Very standard these days, would be of limited note worthiness if in durango. Is purely about reducing noise/power/heat when in media hub use.

But this setup would make the console expensive, and harder to develop for but not good enough to compete with the Geforce Titan and on par with the PS4 but no gddr5..

Basically the system would be as powerful as the ps4, but pricier, harder to develop for..But the biggest problem of all and the fact that would would not outperform the ps4 is because of the lack of ram and the fact that one APU would be dedicated to kinect, and heat reduction..

$599-$699...not because its superior but because of the way it was poorly constructed due to the focus on kinect..

you still have no idea what your talking about. On one hand you say only one APU would be useable by developers, then you go on to say, the fact that it has two APUs would make it hard to develop for how does that make any sense.

Second. In your own words please tell me what advantages gddr5 ram brings to a APU.

 

[Smooth3d]

No. APU run off of ram. The nextbox Ram is not Gddr5, so 2 APU to process graphics is redundant and would overkill the Ram. Pretty much a worst problems than the PS3. This would make the nextbox difficult to develop for 3rd parties and would push the system cost. If they do this, they would be making the mistake Sony made with the PS3. If they want to fully utilize the dual APU efficiently, they would have to up the Ram to 8gb Gddr5 or up their ram from 8 to a much higher number. If they did, you will be looking at a $599-$699 system price..A system that would still be less powerful than Nvidias..

Wow a dude talking out of he's ass. A (APU) stands for accelerated processing unit. Which a cpu and gpu integrated on one chip package. They can communicate with each other more efficiently without huge bus latency. It also has a side benefit of being very power efficient.

Now ram does play a part in this because in a traditional system (normal computers) the gpu portion does not have access to dedicated ram which is normally gddr5 which has higher bandwidth (faster) then DDR3 ram. Thats way high speed DDR3 ram makes such huge difference with AMD apu systems for as framerate goes in games.

But alas the Xbox is not a traditional computer system. They are using a unspecified amount of esram which faster them gddr5 as a graphics catch to aid the system out with its 8GB of DDR3 system ram. If done correctly Microsoft can get most of the benefits of gddr5 ram at less cost.

 

[Mowgli]

2 Apu's. Poor xbots. SO ignorant they dont even know what that means to them. They really really thinkin it means they're games will be hot. Whats worse is they'll believe anything and whats worse than that is even if this rumor were true the system is still inferior to ps4.

 

[Prince Akeem]

No. APU run off of ram. The nextbox Ram is not Gddr5, so 2 APU to process graphics is redundant and would overkill the Ram. Pretty much a worst problems than the PS3. This would make the nextbox difficult to develop for 3rd parties and would push the system cost. If they do this, they would be making the mistake Sony made with the PS3. If they want to fully utilize the dual APU efficiently, they would have to up the Ram to 8gb Gddr5 or up their ram from 8 to a much higher number. If they did, you will be looking at a $599-$699 system price..A system that would still be less powerful than Nvidias..

A dual apu setup would increase motherboard complexity thereby costing ms more money to produce the console. It would also create headaches for developers by increasing programming complexity.

What i believe their gameplan is:



Apu #1 : Very limited cutdown low power, accessible only to system OS and used for dashboard / media / always on. Not usable by devs.

Apu #2 : Game APU accesssible to devs plus OS.

Same setup has been used in macbook pros for years. Very standard these days, would be of limited note worthiness if in durango. Is purely about reducing noise/power/heat when in media hub use.

But this setup would make the console expensive, and harder to develop for but not good enough to compete with the Geforce Titan and on par with the PS4 but no gddr5..

Basically the system would be as powerful as the ps4, but pricier, harder to develop for..But the biggest problem of all and the fact that would would not outperform the ps4 is because of the lack of ram and the fact that one APU would be dedicated to kinect, and heat reduction..

$599-$699...not because its superior but because of the way it was poorly constructed due to the focus on kinect..

Chill breh. Don't hurt them with reality check...Let them have their moment,its been a hard couple weeks for them.

 

[Heretic]

No. APU run off of ram. The nextbox Ram is not Gddr5, so 2 APU to process graphics is redundant and would overkill the Ram. Pretty much a worst problems than the PS3. This would make the nextbox difficult to develop for 3rd parties and would push the system cost. If they do this, they would be making the mistake Sony made with the PS3. If they want to fully utilize the dual APU efficiently, they would have to up the Ram to 8gb Gddr5 or up their ram from 8 to a much higher number. If they did, you will be looking at a $599-$699 system price..A system that would still be less powerful than Nvidias..

damn I wish you knew what you were talking about bc that isn't true. Besides who actually knows what kind of ram the xbox is using?

 

[Mowgli]

damn I wish you knew what you were talking about bc that isn't true. Besides who actually knows what kind of ram the xbox is using?

VGleaks already broke the story on Durangos architecture. You know, the leak that got someone raided by the F3D$? We already know what xbots are workin with and basically, it aint shyt!

Durango Memory System Overview -

Wow, such shytty specs compared to that ps4. This is an xbot pipe dream. Its funny how lost the xbot nation is right now. When ps4 potential costs are high you laugh and say xbox will be cheaper but when they release news that you guys dont understand, news that puts the system at a VERY high price point, you guys droppin flex b0mbs happy to give microsoft your dough, just to troll the GOAT? Nah, you only hurtin yourselves. PLAYSTATION 4 this holiday season. This 2 APU thing is a rumor with no wings.

 

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Might be tempted to pick both of these consoles up now.

Already got the funds allocated

 

[Heretic]

VGleaks already broke the story on Durangos architecture. You know, the leak that got someone raided by the F3D$? We already know what xbots are workin with and basically, it aint shyt!

Durango Memory System Overview -

Wow, such shytty specs compared to that ps4. This is an xbot pipe dream. Its funny how lost the xbot nation is right now. When ps4 potential costs are high you laugh and say xbox will be cheaper but when they release news that you guys dont understand, news that puts the system at a VERY high price point, you guys droppin flex b0mbs happy to give microsoft your dough, just to troll the GOAT? Nah, you only hurtin yourselves. PLAYSTATION 4 this holiday season. This 2 APU thing is a rumor with no wings.

im glad you get paychecks from sony.

 

[Smooth3d]

VGleaks already broke the story on Durangos architecture. You know, the leak that got someone raided by the F3D$? We already know what xbots are workin with and basically, it aint shyt!

Durango Memory System Overview -

Wow, such shytty specs compared to that ps4. This is an xbot pipe dream. Its funny how lost the xbot nation is right now. When ps4 potential costs are high you laugh and say xbox will be cheaper but when they release news that you guys dont understand, news that puts the system at a VERY high price point, you guys droppin flex b0mbs happy to give microsoft your dough, just to troll the GOAT? Nah, you only hurtin yourselves. PLAYSTATION 4 this holiday season. This 2 APU thing is a rumor with no wings.

Okay please tell me why the PS4 is so much better other than its 8GB gddr5 ram which has higher bandwidth than DDR3 but also higher latency than DDR3. Remember I know my shyt so dont come with no bullshyt, Awaiting reply.

 

[Rice N Beans]

Wow a dude talking out of he's ass. A (APU) stands for accelerated processing unit. Which a cpu and gpu integrated on one chip package. They can communicate with each other more efficiently without huge bus latency. It also has a side benefit of being very power efficient.

Now ram does play a part in this because in a traditional system (normal computers) the gpu portion does not have access to dedicated ram which is normally gddr5 which has higher bandwidth (faster) then DDR3 ram. Thats way high speed DDR3 ram makes such huge difference with AMD apu systems for as framerate goes in games.

But alas the Xbox is not a traditional computer system. They are using a unspecified amount of edram which faster them gddr5 as a graphics catch to aid the system out with its 8GB of DDR3 system ram. If done correctly Microsoft can get most of the benefits of gddr5 ram at less cost.

So far it looks like 32MB of ESRAM. It's not gonna do anything special outside of small CPU tasks and texture swapping most likely.

 

[Mowgli]

But alas the Xbox is not a traditional computer system. They are using a unspecified amount of edram which faster them gddr5 as a graphics catch to aid the system out with its 8GB of DDR3 system ram. If done correctly Microsoft can get most of the benefits of gddr5 ram at less cost.

32MB of Esram at 170gb a sec is "limited" by the DDR3 at 68gig a sec.
Compared to the PS4's 170 Gig a sec? I think you just need to stop cuz its disgusting. That shytty microsoft ram has destroyed the company once and for all. Nah im playin, Kinect did that so hopefully Sony wont have to go through that.