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up in the M.G.M. coked up}, psych
Six nikkas walked in flashing they gems peace (Aight
One dark skinned nikka fifty-six inch rope wrapped around twice
Smash the Gilligan boat with ice
(They threw sign language, ordered hot coffee
{wit a danish}
Relax, whispered they, "Rap entertainers"
(Had Lizzy on, two Japanese birds with furs look good kid)
Laid back handling hors d'ourves
(It's like round three) We too black for BET
You memorize the 1 to 40 (I'm at the 19th degree
If a civilized person doesn't perform his duty, what shall be done?
Pardon me God, that nikka got a gun
Bulging out his sweatpants, check out his stance
See the side of his grill? (Look like my cousin Lance
Left hand, rocky Guess watch) Yo I think I did his Clarks
He wanted crush bone leather with the strings dark
(Now I remember) He from Bear Mountain
He and Mitch Greene shot the fair one (Near the water fountain)
Seventh round, Chavez bleeding from his right ear
Yo keep your eye on that same nikka from right here
Popcorn spilling all on Liz Claiborne
(Ghost had the fly Gucci mocks wit no socks on
Seen Deion Sanders in the back with the phat fur on)
Working them hoes with the fly Wu shirts on
Mixed drink session Dun (Pour me some more)
Chef leathered down blinking at Chanté Moore
Tenth round Chavez tearing 'em down) Sweet Pea get ya shyt off
(It's like blacks against the Germans) Getting hit off
(Smooth and them walked in) Brownsville representing
(They sent a bottle over, autograph blessing)
Chef, pull out the doo-doo, twist the dank - pink noodles
(Yo I'm bout to roll one) Matter fact twist two of those
(Yo they wound up stopping the fight
Steels took a point away from Chavez) Rematch scheduled on October Ninth
Rematch scheduled on October Ninth




A fantastic duet with Rae and Ghost trading verses back and forth about attending the star-studded boxing match between Julio Caesar Chavez and Pernell “Sweet Pea” Whitaker on Sept. 10 1994 at the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada. They talk about the fight and just people watching in general (often just as interesting as the fight itself).

imagine they did a video for this :whoo:


Hands down this is a classic and best double album to me. I couldn't listen to it when it fully dropped but I always heard in passing. I finally did listen in full a few years later and was still blown away.

I went to see Floyd vs Guerrero back in 2013 live and this was first song that came to my head. Me and my man just was saying it all night. That's a classic story telling joint. We walking through the MGM spitting it. It's wild cause a fight broke out in the 2nd round in the crowd during the fight.

I'm about to play this album this weekend strictly off this thread. Good looking
 

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This album was extremely disappointing. Enter the Wu Tang 36 Chambers was a million times better. I guess that's what happens when you make some original unique classic music.

I was only disappointed as far as the beats not being the same kind of sound. But the album is still dope, classic IMO, just different.
 

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Why ‘Wu-Tang Forever’ Stamped The Wu-Tang Clan As Rap Icons
Preezy Brown June 3, 2017 7:00 pm
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When speaking of the most pivotal acts and movements in hip-hop history, to gloss over the impact of the Wu-Tang Clan would be criminal. Their resume speaks for itself. In an age where record labels made the rules, the Wu-Tang Clan crossed them out and wrote their own, breaking barriers that would prove the power of hip-hop and the revolutionary rap group.

After a sour experience at Tommy Boy Records, rapper/producer RZA founded the Wu-Tang Clan and enlisted his cousins GZA and Ol’ Dirty b*stard, as well as neighborhood cronies Raekwon, Ghostface Killah, Method Man, Inspectah Deck, U-God, and Masta Killa. The Staten Island-originating group went on to form like Voltron, assaulting the music industry with their rugged brand of rap. Debuting in 1993 with their seminal album, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), the Wu helped breathe life back into a New York City rap scene that had lost its footing amidst the rise of West Coast hip-hop. With classic singles like “Protect Ya Neck,” “C.R.E.A.M,” and “Can It All Be So Simple,” the squad’s music resonated within the city’s five boroughs and beyond.

With their debut studio album at platinum status, the Wu-Tang Clan took advantage of the non-exclusive deal they signed with Loud Records and began rolling out solo albums — Method Man’s Tical, Ol’ Dirty b*stard’s Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version, Raekwon’s Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, GZA’s Liquid Swords, and Ghostface Killah’s Ironman – which simultaneously established the group’s individual members and strengthened the Wu-Tang brand in the process.

In 1997, four years after the release of their debut, the Wu-Tang Clan returned as a full unit with their sophomore album, Wu-Tang Forever, which symbolized of the completion of the five-year plan RZA implemented during the genesis of the crew. Deciding to follow in the footsteps of 2Pac and The Notorious B.I.G., the Wu-Tang Clan went on a victory lap with their double-disc album, a 27-track hip-hop gem that would cement the Wu as one of the strongest movements in hip-hop, and all of music, for that matter.

In celebration of its 20th anniversary, VIBEhighlighted five reasons why Wu-Tang Foreversolidified the Wu-Tang Clan as rap icons.



5. The Album’s Buzz
In a year filled with blockbuster rap releases,Wu-Tang Forever was one of the most anticipated albums. Wu disciples anxiously awaited its arrival after enduring four calendars without a collective effort from the crew. Originally slated to be released in February 1997, the Wu-Tang Clan’s sophomore LP was pushed back on multiple occasions and increased fans’ fervor for what the lyrical monks from Shaolin had in store. After Wu-Tang Forever was finally liberated on June 3, 1997, the album debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200, a feat only achieved by rap stars Scarface, The Notorious B.I.G., Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Puff Daddy, Master P, Ma$e, and The Firm during that year. It sold 612,000 units in its first week of release, despite lacking a traditional hit single. By mid-October 1997,Wu-Tang Forever certified 4x platinum, becoming one of the best-selling rap albums of the year, proving that the Wu was all about strength in numbers.

4. RZA’s Growth As A Producer
During the making of the Wu-Tang Clan’s debut album, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), RZA was tasked with creating an album. With minimal funds and equipment that was far from the industry standard at the time, the group’s leader created the album’s gritty, lo-fi quality, adding to its authentic vibe and appeal. After utilizing samples from old school King-Fu flicks and crafting a classic debut that helped revive a whole coast, RZA would up the ante on Wu-Tang Forever, making use of strings, synthesizers, and classic soul samples, giving the album a refined, cinematic feel. A stark contrast to the rawness of the beats on Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), Wu-Tang Forever is a showcase of RZA’s evolution as the producer and sage abbot who crafted the solo albums that would set the stage for the album’s release.

3. The Album’s Rallying Cry Against The Shiny Suit Empire
Wu-Tang Clan may have been nothing to f**k with during their peak as a group, but neither was Bad Boy Records, which had a stronghold on the hip-hop and r&b charts during the mid-’90s. Boasting a roster that included the Notorious B.I.G., Ma$e, Total, 112, and Faith Evans, Bad Boy Records may have ushered rap into an era of aspiration and excess with its larger-than-life sound and aesthetic, but not everyone was fond of the label’s attempt to gentrify hip-hop with r&b, most notably the Wu-Tang Clan.

Serving as the perceived antithesis of all that Bad Boy Records stood for, the Wu-Tang Clan would send shots at the Evil Empire that was Bad Boy Records as early as 1995, when Raekwon and Ghostface Killah subliminally dissed The Notorious B.I.G. for allegedly biting Nas’ Illmaticalbum cover for his own. This sparked a subtle cold war between the two entities which continued until the death of The Notorious B.I.G. in 1997. RZA himself added his two cents on the matter on the intro of the second disc ofWu-Tang Forever. Although he avoided calling out names, there was a good idea of who he was referring to, increasing purists’ respect for the Wu-Tang Clan and all they stood for.

2. Sociopolitical Commentary
Wu-Tang Clan’s debut album Enter the Stage (36 Chambers) included poignant takes on life in the inner-city and the quest for survival that comes as a byproduct of that circumstance. Most notably heard on “Can It Be All So Simple,” “C.R.E.A.M., and “Tearz,” Wu-Tang Forever showcased an increased focus on sociopolitical matters. Becoming disillusioned with the portrayal of rappers and hip-hop culture on the mainstream, RZA and his fellow clansmen made their feelings about the state of society and the black community known throughout Wu-Tang Forever, giving the album more of a conscious feel compared to its predecessor, which was more style over substance in terms of topical range. Songs like “Older Gods,” “A Better Tomorrow,” “Impossible,” “Little Ghetto Boys,” and “The Projects” delivered a sense of a maturation in the Wu-Tang Clan, lending credence to Ol’ Dirty b*stard’s proclamation that the Wu-Tang Clan is for the kids.

1. “Triumph”
After February 11, 1997, rap would never be the same. That is the day that “Triumph,” the lead-single from Wu-Tang Clan’s sophomore album was unleashed. The song forever changed the parameters of what a lead-single could be. Clocking in at nearly six minutes and devoid of a hook, “Triumph” was an ambitious effort if there ever was one, with RZA attempting to fit nine separate verses from nine different rappers on one song and present it to radio and the public at large. The most amazing part is that he actually pulled it off. Refusing to appease radio or TV outlets by editing the song or the memorable Brett Ratner-directed music video, compared t othe groundbreaking clips from fellow creative visionaries like Missy Elliott and Busta Rhymes, RZA went against the grain and placed his bet on “Triumph.” It was a gamble that contributed to the Wu-Tang Clan’s status as rap icons. Above all, it served as the cherry on the top of one of the greatest rap albums of its time.


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Wu-Tang Forever’ Took Aim at Shiny Suits As the Clan Gave In to Their Own Excess
by Preezy June 3, 2017 11:00 PM

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On June 3, 1997, Wu-Tang Clan, one of the most iconic and influential acts in hip-hop history, released Wu-Tang Forever, the group’s followup to their platinum debut, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers). The Wu had evolved from a gritty rhyme collective that once paid for a studio session with $300 in quarters to a well-oiled, multi-million dollar, industry-revolutionizing operation that would be a blueprint for many rapping entrepreneurs to follow. RZA‘s five-year plan guaranteed success and prosperity for all that fell in line with his order of operations, and Wu-Tang Clan had positioned themselves as standard-bearers for the no-frills style of hardcore East Coast rap that had become par for the course and helped steal the commercial spotlight back from the West Coast and put it back on the five boroughs.

In a revolutionary move, RZA would ink a contract for Wu-Tang Clan with Loud Records that stipulated that members of the group could sign record deals as solo artists with whatever label they pleased, putting in motion the first wave of Wu-Tang solo projects, all of which were commercially successful and helped establish key members of the group as stars individually. With Method Man‘s 1994 debut Tical and releases from Ol’ Dirty b*stard (Return to the 36 Chambers), Raekwon (Only Built 4 Cuban Linx), GZA (Liquid Swords), and Ghostface Killah (Ironman), the Wu-Tang Clan’s string of gold and platinum certified solo albums would only strengthen their power as a collective. The Clan capitalized on their popularity with their own clothing line, Wu Wear, with their music videos becoming perfect vehicles for product placement as the Wu-Tang logo emblazoned on the gear being enough to entice rabid fans to purchase and sport the threads.

The Wu-Tang Clan’s return as a full unit was highly anticipated among rap purists, but its release would be an exercise in patience. Following their own album releases, getting all nine members of the group into the studio at the same time to construct an album with their conflicting schedules and agendas would lead to multiple release date push-backs.

However, throughout 1996 and 1997, RZA would have Wu members convene at Oakwood Apartments in California, where the collective would reside while crafting what would ultimately become Wu-Tang Forever. Recorded at Ameraycan Studios,Wu-Tang Forever would be feature departures from what they’d done on Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), most notably the personnel involved. After making appearances on Raekwon’s Only Built 4 Cuban Linx and Ghostface Killah’s Ironmanalbums, Cappadonna would make his first appearances on a Wu-Tang album. An early member of Wu-Tang Clan, Cappadonna had been replaced by Method Man after Cappa’s incarceration prior to the recording of Enter the Wu-Tang. Back within the fold, he appeared on five Wu-Tang Forever songs and solidified himself as the unofficial tenth member of the crew. Other artists outside of the Wu core that appeared on the ambitious LP are rapper Street Life and singer Tekitha, the latter of which played a role similar to Blue Raspberry, who’d lent her voice to previous albums from the Wu. RZA also allowed protégés True Master and 4th Disciple to contribute tracks to the album, with both scoring multiple placements and accounting for some impressive backdrops. However, executive producer RZA remained the unquestioned mastermind of what Wu-Tang Forever would ultimately become, using his skills as a communicator, creative, and motivator to delegate and oversee the manifestation of he and his disciples second assault on hip-hop and the music industry as a whole.

The frenzy surrounding the Wu-Tang Clan’s sophomore release was largely in part to listeners expecting the unexpected, with no one quite sure when the group would return and in what fashion. On February 11, 1997, the world got their first glimpse of what the crew had cooking in the oven with the release of Wu-Tang Forever‘s lead single “Triumph,” a song that would become one of the definitive rap records of the decade. In a stark contrast to many of the rap songs burning up the Billboard charts in 1996 and 1997, “Triumph” was devoid of a recognizable sample or catchy a hook. With Ol’ Dirty b*stard contributing an unforgettable intro, the stage is set for the oft-overlooked Inspectah Deck to launch into one of the more recognizable verses in rap. Deck’s opening salvo would earn lauds in The Source’s “Hip-Hop Quotable” column, a distinction that would raise his profile and his stock as a feature artist in the wake of Wu-Tang Forever‘s release.

Accompanied by an epic music video directed by Hype Williams, “Triumph” would heighten the buzz for Wu-Tang Forever to a fever pitch as it arrived in June 1997, when it would shock the world and put the power and influence of The Wu on full display. Wu-Tang Forever would make a bigger splash upon its release than Enter the Wu-Tang had four years earlier. …Forever locked up the No. 1 spot on the album chart with 612,000 copies sold in its first week of release.

“Reunited, double LP, world excited/Struck a match to the underground, industry ignited,” GZA spits on the aptly titled “Reunited,” which pairs him with Ol’ Dirty b*stard, RZA, and Method Man, whom also attack violin-powered composition, complimented by Ms. Roxy, with fervor, resulting in a effort that isn’t mind-blowing, but is serviceable to get the album off to a favorable start.

As GZA notes in his opening bar, Wu-Tang Forever is a double-disc album, a trend that was becoming standard for major acts in rap after megastars 2Pac and The Notorious B.I.G., (who passed mere months before the release of Wu-Tang Forever), both helped popularize the concept. Members like U-God and Masta Killa were given minimal showcase on the group’s debut, so the expanded format gave each rapper more time ot shine. Even with the flood of double albums in late 90s hip-hop,Wu-Tang Forever could have been an ambitious failure given the multiple cooks in the kitchen. But the deeper you get into Wu-Tang Forever, it becomes obvious that the LP combines elements from each of the members’ solo albums into a melting pot of organized confusion. “Reunited” may not be the tour de force expected as the album’s intro, but the subsequent selection, “For Heavens Sake,” compensates for that lack of punch, as the enlisted rhymers soldier over the pounding percussion, ominous horns, and a vocal sample. Asserting themselves as one of the best duos post-Starsky and Hutch on their respective solo LPs, Raekwon and Ghostface Killah find their cinematic verses sandwiched by a stanza from Method Man on “Cash Still Rules/Scary Hours,” the latter of which also bats lead-off on the Inspectah Deck produced Visionz,” which is yet another selection anchored by an electric showing by Ghostface Killah, whose increased presence on Wu-Tang Forever is comparable to the emergence of A Tribe Called Quest’s Phife Dawg, who grew by leaps and bounds between his own group’s respective first two albums.

After becoming a breakout star following Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), Ol’ Dirty b*stard is largely absent from Wu-Tang Forever, but one of his few contributions, the hook on “As High as Wu-Tang Get,” is essential and is a reminder of the oft-erratic rhymer’s ability to steal the show whenever given the chance. Whereas Enter the Wu-Tang was more of a freewheeling showcase of the group’s lyrical ability, Wu-Tang Forever focuses on sociopolitical matters. One of the more notable instances is the 4th Disciple-produced “A Better Tomorrow.” Urging listeners to not “party your life away/Drink your life away/Smoke your life away/fukk your life away” and to set a better example for future generations, The Wu then pays homage to rap pioneer T La Rock with “Itz Yourz,” the first disc closer.

After allowing Poppa Wu to open up the first half of Wu-Tang Forever with a few sage words and jewels from his Five Percenter philosophy, RZA takes the onus on the second disc of the album, and uses the time to take a page out of Raekwon and Ghostface Killah by subliminally dissing peers who they feel have not been as original or true to the culture of hip-hop and its roots as they should. Calling out those he perceives as “trying to take hip-hop and make that shyt R&B, rap and bullshyt” and insisting that Wu-Tang is gonna bring back hip-hop “in the purest form,” RZA’s words address the elephant in the room that was the debate about what constitutes as “real hip-hop,” a war that continues to be waged 20 years after the fact, but one that is the underlying motivation behind the mission statement that is Wu-Tang Forever. The second disc of Wu-Tang Forever is the lesser portion of the album and is weighed down with a bit of filler, but also includes its fair share of gems, most notably “Impossible,” which features guest vocals from Tekitha, over production by 4th Disciple and RZA, the latter of whom also appears on the track. U-God delivers a poignant string of couplets that are full of perspective, but the true highlight of the song is Ghostface Killah’s visceral verse, as he witnesses one of his close comrades die in front of him, a stanza that is credited as one of the more powerful verses on a Wu-Tang Clan album to date, and closes the case for GFK being crowned as the most valuable player on Wu-Tang Forever, continuing his hot streak that was sparked with his performance on Only Built 4 Cuban Linx two years prior.

Other standouts from the second disc of Wu-Tang Forever include “The City,” “Bells of War,” and the Raekwon and Ghostface Killah duet “The M.G.M.,” which picks up where the two left off on Ghost’s Ironman a year prior and captures the pair spinning a tale of being ringside at a heavyweight boxing match in Las Vegas. While much of the filler on the second half of the album is tolerable, two selections that serve as blatant blemishes are the U-God solo cut “Black Shampoo” and the Tekitha solo “Second Coming,” both of which are horrible enough to nearly erase any goodwill either built with their previous contributions to the album. However, Raekwon’s commentary on “The Closing” helps relieve the bad taste left from those clunkers, reminding listeners of the good on Wu-Tang Forever that outweighs the occasional blunder.

Wu-Tang Forever was one of the biggest rap releases of 1997, selling over 4 million units and becoming the best-selling album of the group’s career to date, as well as furthering the conversation over the course that rap music and the culture as a whole was headed towards at the time and who or what was to blame, if anything at all. Wu-Tang Clan’s efforts would also net them a Grammy nomination for Rap Album of the Year at the awards show’s 1998 ceremony, but in an ironic twist of fate, the album would lose out to Puff Daddy & the Family’s No Way Out. It was a sign that, despite objections made by RZA and company throughout Wu-Tang Forever (against the glitz and glamour of record labels like Bad Boy Records), artists in the mold of Puffy and Ma$e weren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

For many fans, Wu-Tang Forever would largely live up to the hype; but it wouldn’t supplant Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) as the group’s magnum opus and the album that will most succinctly defines their legacy as a group. Despite it’s misfires and indulgences, Wu-Tang Forever marks the crescendo in the career of one of the most important and cultural iconic acts that rap has ever produced



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This album was extremely disappointing. Enter the Wu Tang 36 Chambers was a million times better. I guess that's what happens when you make some original unique classic music.


i remember hearing a lot of this when this album came out. a lot of people were hatin on this album. not sayin it's bad but it "wasn't 36 Chambers"

i guarantee you listen to this album now though and think damn this is a great album.
 

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I need to double check this again but something remarkable I found was that not only did Raekwon have the most verses on this album, but also on 36 Chambers.
:ohhh:

The true backbone of the group.

Anyway, this is without a doubt the best double LP of all time. Maybe the best Wu group album as well, it has certainly stood the test of time better than 36 Chambers.

Some tracks are just otherworldly, too divine for human ears and should be locked away for eternity (e.g. For Heaven's Sake & Heaterz).

Gonna listen to it again now.
:to::ahh:
 

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Who else had the advanced CD Rom thing on disc 1 where u could go thru the Wu mansion??




Remember how annoying it was when u just wanted to hear the music but the clip for the wu mansion would pop up instead and u had to adjust to to get to the music part?

Yo. I was tight cuz Disc1-CD Rom:old: never worked in my struggle Gateway computer:flabbynsick:

...the way Triumph video:cape: came thru and Snoop Dogg the building, tho:ooh:

Q./Kidada: boppin:dj2: with RZA and the Killa Bees at the bar:pachaha:
 

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It's impossible to pick the best song off Forever, cuz they're all GOAT (including Maria/Black Shampoo):lawd:

...20 yrs later, RZA production still ahead of time:damn:

The Abbot ETHER'd all them mark-ass-Mortal-Kombat-sounding producers on Disc 2 intro:banderas:
 

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This album was extremely disappointing. Enter the Wu Tang 36 Chambers was a million times better. I guess that's what happens when you make some original unique classic music.

Real talk...At first I thought there really was something that felt like it was either missing or off about WTF. But with that said at some point you have to consider this. What makes this album unique is the flood fukked up the direction of where this album was originally supposed to go. The original relesase date was promoted at Feb 97 but the flood pushed shyt back to June. So you have to take into consideration the fact that Rza put together something while chasing a deadline after the original plans got destroyed and having to start from scratch. That in itself has to be acknowledged. me myself I'm not gonna lie, I felt like something was off on first listen but right then and there I chalked it up to the flood. 20 years later I applaud Rza for making something good while being under the pressure of a deadline after the original plans got destroyed. Rza was like "Damn, the people are waiting" and he did what he did under those circumstances.
 

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Real talk...At first I thought there really was something that felt like it was either missing or off about WTF. But with that said at some point you have to consider this. What makes this album unique is the flood fukked up the direction of where this album was originally supposed to go. The original relesase date was promoted at Feb 97 but the flood pushed shyt back to June. So you have to take into consideration the fact that Rza put together something while chasing a deadline after the original plans got destroyed and having to start from scratch. That in itself has to be acknowledged. me myself I'm not gonna lie, I felt like something was off on first listen but right then and there I chalked it up to the flood. 20 years later I applaud Rza for making something good while being under the pressure of a deadline after the original plans got destroyed. Rza was like "Damn, the people are waiting" and he did what he did under those circumstances.

That is 100% inaccurate. The flood happened during the making of Tical.
The flood had no impact on OBFCL or LS.
He started experimenting with instruments in 96. The shift occured organically. The Wu sound on Ironman was already a bit different (Wildflower/Fastablade/Assassination Day/Winter Warz/Black Jesus/After The Smoke Is Clear/Marvel/Soul Controler).
So nah.
 
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