yeah they have been around for ever, so was wiz khalifa, that's the point. they get decent budgets have all the blogs hype section.80, habits and contradictions, and now control system (didn't work, not even 2dopeboyz could convince nerds it was hot). What jay rock has was natural. Now it's like he's not even in the group or he's their OG uncle. I like all of it, and I rather have this be pushed than bullshyt. I just think theirs a reason that they don't talk about their aftermath and dre cosign, they wanna seem as authentic as possible.