Wlad on facing Vitali: He would beat me

[Liquid]

Tyson's resume takes a large whale turd sized dump on Vitali's resume

You clearly don't know enough about the Heavyweight division to even be having this discussion.

And getting your face torn off with clean effective punching to point where you're no longer medically fit to continue...is a technical knockout loss...not some random injury And injuries happen in boxing everyday b...there are alot of wins/losses in boxing historically that we would have to sweep from the record if we took everybody's "injury" excuse into account.

Holyfield had the same injury that Vitali against Byrd and finished the fight...that's just what Byrd does...he pops out nikkas rotator cuffs with his slick upper body movement (n/h )

And just because he's able to beat the likes of...

Sam Peter
Corrie Sanders
Herbie Hide
Tomasz Adamek
Kirk Johnson
Larry Donald
Chris Arreola
Derrick Chisora
Danny Williams
Kevin Johnson

Tells us nothing about how he would fare against all-time greats

His awkward style and size says otherwise, but it's cool. It's good to see that now people think Tyson had an impressive list of fighters he beat...

The Chris Byrd argument is all you got tbh and its clear that is what you are running with.

 

[Liquid]

Byrd was giving Vitali THAT WORK btw

@ trying to scratch that from the record and pretend it doesn't exist...when he clearly got outboxed and was made to quit

Everyone is allowed to have a bad night. You basically have no argument to discredit Vitali the way you are so you are holding on to that Byrd with everything you got.

 

[H.I.M.]

His awkward style and size says otherwise, but it's cool. It's good to see that now people think Tyson had an impressive list of fighters he beat...

The Chris Byrd argument is all you got tbh and its clear that is what you are running with.

Well excuuuuuse me if i point out how it brings his career & legacy down a notch for not being able to beat the only 2 fighters that he's faced that were above B-level

but nah player...his resume being this is the crux of my argument

Sam Peter
Corrie Sanders
Herbie Hide
Tomasz Adamek
Kirk Johnson
Larry Donald
Chris Arreola
Derrick Chisora
Danny Williams
Kevin Johnson

Which is largely due to him not being able to beat the only two opponents that he's ever faced that were above b-level

No top 20 all-time great Heavyweight has a resume that bad

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Vitali and Wlad are top 10 (arguable).:lol7414:

No way either cracks the top 3 ......Lewis, Ali, Holmes>>>>>>>>ALLL

 

[H.I.M.]

Vitali has absolutely no argument for being in the top 10

NONE

Top 25 is even a stretch

Wlad is on the borders of the top 10...i'd say top 15 maybe

I see alot of you nikkas need to watch more boxing

 

[Liquid]

Well excuuuuuse me if i point out how it brings his career & legacy down a notch for not being able to beat the only 2 fighters that he's faced that were above B-level

nah player...him resume being this is the crux of my argument

Sam Peter
Corrie Sanders
Herbie Hide
Tomasz Adamek
Kirk Johnson
Larry Donald
Chris Arreola
Derrick Chisora
Danny Williams
Kevin Johnson

Which is largely due to him not being able to beat the only two opponents that he's ever faced that were above b-level

No top 20 all-time great Heavyweight has a resume that bad

You are STILL using the resume argument to bring down Vitali, but not realizing that its been the argument used against Tyson for a LONG LONG time. Again, it's not their fault they dominated the division the way they did.

When I see Vitali fight I just look at how tough of a matchup he would have been compared to almost all of the top heavyweights of all time. There are only a few on the top of my head that would beat him clearly. Ali, Foreman, Joe Louis, and probably Lennox Lewis in his prime. After that I think it becomes very tricky for the best of all time to fight him because of his style and size.

 

[Liquid]

Vitali has absolutely no argument for being in the top 10

NONE

Top 25 is even a stretch

Wlad is on the borders of the top 10...i'd say top 15 maybe

I see alot of you nikkas need to watch more boxing

This basically throws away all your previous posts. Vitali > Wlad...It's not even debatable

 

[H.I.M.]

You are STILL using the resume argument to bring down Vitali, but not realizing that its been the argument used against Tyson for a LONG LONG time. Again, it's not their fault they dominated the division the way they did.

When I see Vitali fight I just look at how tough of a matchup he would have been compared to almost all of the top heavyweights of all time. There are only a few on the top of my head that would beat him clearly. Ali, Foreman, Joe Louis, and probably Lennox Lewis in his prime. After that I think it becomes very tricky for the best of all time to fight him because of his style and size.

Your resume is the #1 indicator of your ability in boxing...not hypothethical fantasy matchups.

Like i said before... *floyd voice

you don't know enough about boxing to be having this discussion

This basically throws away all your previous posts. Vitali > Wlad...It's not even debatable

Nope. His resume doesn't permit it.

Wlad's resume and overall body of work shyts all over Vitali's.

Anybody that knows anything about anything acknowledges this as a clear cut fact.

 

[Liquid]

Your resume is the #1 indicator of your ability in boxing...not hypothethical fantasy matchups.

Like i said before... *floyd voice

you don't know enough about boxing to be having this discussion




Nope. His resume doesn't permit it.

Wlad's resume and overall body of work shyts all over Vitali's.

Anybody that knows anything about anything acknowledges this as a clear cut fact.

you are terrible at debating

@ the idea of Wlad being better than Vitali. I've NEVER seen anyone rank the little brother ahead of Dr Ironfist.

@ the idea of Vitali possibly not even being top 25.

YOU my friend, don't really know much about boxing or have too much of a bias to put it aside for a second and debate. You are still going with that resume argument, yet can't provide an argument how Tyson's "whale turd better" resume is clearly a step above Vitali. If anything, we can agree that both resumes are weak when compared to others all-time, but there isn't much the fighters can do if the era is weak. We have to look at style and other factors...something you obviously can't seem to do.

Resume is a TERRIBLE argument to use against a boxer. Mike Tyson isn't a top ranked heavyweight all time because of his resume, it's because of his style and potential matchup problems he would have caused to former and present greats. That's how you argue, not resumes

 

[Malta]

Byrd was giving Vitali THAT WORK btw

Byrd was losing on all cards by a wide margin

 

[Liquid]

Byrd was losing on all cards by a wide margin

Shhhh, I'm kind of enjoying this :hwoodbelli:

Spoiler

The cards should have been much closer, but yeah Vitali was obviously going to win that fight if he didn't bytch out.

 

[H.I.M.]

you are terrible at debating

@ the idea of Wlad being better than Vitali. I've NEVER seen anyone rank the little brother ahead of Dr Ironfist.

@ the idea of Vitali possibly not even being top 25.

YOU my friend, don't really know much about boxing or have too much of a bias to put it aside for a second and debate. You are still going with that resume argument, yet can't provide an argument how Tyson's "whale turd better" resume is clearly a step above Vitali. If anything, we can agree that both resumes are weak when compared to others all-time, but there isn't much the fighters can do if the era is weak. We have to look at style and other factors...something you obviously can't seem to do.

No respectable boxing historian, journalist etc. would ever rate Vitali > Wlad or have Vitali's name anywhere near a top 10 Heavyweight all-time great list...he'd be laughed out of the business...MAYBE you might find this viewpoint from a Dan Rafeal type...but it would be a tiny minority viewpoint.

Wlad has beaten more quality opponents and has reigned far longer than Vitali's one year as THE man in the division...so please explain how you come to the conclusion that Vitali is the better fighter?

And Tyson reigned as undisputed champ for several years, beat/faced more world rated oppoents than Vitali, beat/faced more hall of famer/all-time greats

While Vitali has done none of the above

No wins over hall of famers
has beaten a less number of world rated contenders/champs
Was never undisputed champ or even a true lineal champ

Vitali's resume is not even in the same ballpark as Tyson's...and vastly inferior to Wlad's

 

[H.I.M.]

Byrd was losing on all cards by a wide margin

In Germany

Bet you think Sven Ottke has a legit undefeated record

And Bradley beat Pac...and Canelo-Mayweather was a close fight etc. etc. etc.

Vitali even said he thought the fight was even in the postfight...which was apart of the reason he quit...because he thought he wouldn't be able to win the remaining rds and come away with a victory.

rd-to-rd...what was your score of the fight btw

 

[H.I.M.]

If dudes got Vitali on their top 25 all-time great Heavyweight list...i wonder where guys like Tim Witherspoon, Ernie Terrell & Jimmy Young rate (if they even know who they are) being that their resumes are much stronger

I mean shyt...it seems like giving a tough fight to an old, out of shape, half-retired Lennox Lewis is part of the prerequisite for an all-time great ranking...so why not throw Ray Mercer & Frank Bruno on that list as well since they were able to give an even tougher fighter to a much better, younger & prime version of Lennox

 

[King P]

Iron Chin Wilder = Tony Mothaphuckin Tubbs?

Anyways, a couple point...

No way in hell is Vitali Top 5.

I rank Wlad higher than Vitali, even though I'd take Vitali H2H

I had Vitali winning the fight at the time of the stoppage, though it was a close fight. People try to act like Vitali was dominating the fight, which isn't true