Why's it so Hard for Big Men to Develop an Offensive Game

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Zone D has alot to do wit it too.
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Zone D been around before most of this forum was born.


I mentioned coordination earlier, other reasons? Nonviolent drug incarcerations in the 80s, 90s and today lead to fathers going up north and a generation of fathers in prison.

Another reason, and one no one wants to admit but when they think about it they know im right, Magic Johnson.
 

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:what: that could be said for every player

Well it's not all because they "don't practice". It's like others said because of the coordianation (I saw Chris Bosh play soccer in Chinatown :huhldup: and he is one of the big men with good footwork) and lack of coaching.

But it's also because a lot of big guys play basketball only because of their height, not because they enjoy or love the game.


But back to my original post, the fact is if you are a 7 footer you have a guaranteed spot in the NBA. Why do you think Eddy Cury is still getting looks from the teams. If he was 6-4 he wouldn't be able to get a look in China.
 

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:stopitslime:

Zone D been around since before most of this forum was born.


I mentioned coordination earlier, other reasons? Nonviolent drug incarcerations in the 80s, 90s and today lead to fathers going up north and a generation of fathers in prison.

Another reason, and one no one wants to admit but when they think about it they know im right, Magic Johnson.

:ohhh: you know i never thought bout this
 

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I blame AAU and guys coming out of college too early, the average rookie age of Robinson, Hakeem, Wilt, Duncan, Ewing and Kareem was almost 23 years old. I left out Shaq because he came out as a Sophomore, but even he was 20 as a rookie. These guys all got a lot of playing time and had their bodies mature as their games developed, they got to see what works and what doesn't in the post. I don't think it's any coincidence that the last great post player also happens to be someone that went to college for 4 years.

It's funny how a lot of the guys that came out of HS or entered the draft as freshmen almost all seem to have their breakout years around 21-23 years old, basically the time they'd be entering the league had they stayed 4 years. I like Andre Drummond a lot, but he's a perfect example of everything at work, on the AAU circuit he wanted to play like a SF and never really focused on developing a back to the basket game, despite having every tool you could think of to be a dominant post player. We can see how naturally good he is at the game right now in the NBA, imagine if he stayed 4 years at Uconn and learned how to play with his back to the basket just off trial and error of moves against guys smaller than himself. By his 2nd or 3rd year the entire offense @ Uconn would have revolved around him and he would have gained confidence in his offense. I mean, someone like Hibbert wouldn't have even been drafted had he tried to come out as a Fresh/Soph.


I maintain that the next great center will either come from Europe, or he'll be one of those undersized PF's that has a late growth spurt and shoots up to 7"0.
I agree with the AAU part, but disagree about college.

Tim Duncan was ready for the NBA at 20. In temperament, post moves, etc. Going to college two more years just delayed his paycheck.

We all learn the game as kids. The problem is in that age period between 12-17. By college, all players can do is refine their game.
 

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Like every one said it's a variety of reasons. AAU, High School Coaches etc. Really all the players rely much more on their athleticism and strength, It's just more evident in the big men.

This is also why I'm :rudy: when big men are drafted on potential and are raw. Besides Bynum and J. Oneal which project big men in the past 20 years have truly developed a nice low to mid post game? Watching Bynum grow was truly :to:as a Laker fan. It's so rare for a project big to pan out. Still sad he's hampered by injuries.
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
I agree with the AAU part, but disagree about college.

Tim Duncan was ready for the NBA at 20. In temperament, post moves, etc. Going to college two more years just delayed his paycheck.

We all learn the game as kids. The problem is in that age period between 12-17. By college, all players can do is refine their game.

Well by 20 Tim Duncan was a senior though.

He might have been ready as a soph/junior, but I don't think he would have hit the league as a 21/12 guy right off the bat if he came out before his junior year.
 

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Well by 20 Tim Duncan was a senior though.

He might have been ready as a soph/junior, but I don't think he would have hit the league as a 21/12 guy right off the bat if he came out before his junior year.
probably not, idk. My real point is that Duncan would have been what he is now if he left in as a sophomore or graduated.


College helps the stiff out more than than the super athletic talent.


The problem with big men, and really a lot of players entering college, is what is taking place between the 9-18. Bad coaching leads to bad habits leads to bad players.


:ohhh: you know i never thought bout this

of course

I remember in the 90s a lot of big men were trying to dribble behind their back or bring the ball up court on a fast break. And a lot of them would say they wanted to be Magic. He fukked up a lot of players with his greatness.
 

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eddy curry was suppose to be the next great bigman after shaq but nikka got fat n lazy :eat::flabbynsick:. one of my childhood bestfriends deadre thomas might have been the best back to the basket bigman to ever come outta chicago but eric gordon snitched on him n stopped him from goin to da nba :dry:. now if my lil cuzo jabari parker keeps growing then he can be next up but i like the big kid at whitney young okafor he mite be the next great true bigman.
most undersized pfs got more moves then these 7footers shyt is :o: to have a a player 6'7 and under to have more moves around the basket then you at 6'9 and up
 

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eddy curry was suppose to be the next great bigman after shaq but nikka got fat n lazy :eat::flabbynsick:. one of my childhood bestfriends deadre thomas might have been the best back to the basket bigman to ever come outta chicago but eric gordon snitched on him n stopped him from goin to da nba :dry:. now if my lil cuzo jabari parker keeps growing then he can be next up but i like the big kid at whitney young okafor he mite be the next great true bigman.
most undersized pfs got more moves then these 7footers shyt is :o: to have a a player 6'7 and under to have more moves around the basket then you at 6'9 and up

:leon: do tell
 

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Now who else wanna fukk with Hollywood Court?
Also, injuries are killing the big men right now, how were Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing and Robinson relatively healthy, yet guys today with better treatment are just dropping like flies? Yao (understandable), Oden and now Bynum, that's 3 out of the top 5 just gone.

Also, in my opinion Oden would have been the best center in the league if he could have just stayed healthy. If you watched him play he tried to do everything with his back to the basket, and based his entire game off the jump hook with either hand, plus he was physical as shyt and was taller/heavier than Dwight with similar athleticism (Pre-microfracture).
 

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Also, injuries are killing the big men right now, how were Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing and Robinson relatively healthy, yet guys today with better treatment are just dropping like flies? Yao (understandable), Oden and now Bynum, that's 3 out of the top 5 just gone.

Also, in my opinion Oden would have been the best center in the league if he could have just stayed healthy. If you watched him play he tried to do everything with his back to the basket, and based his entire game off the jump hook with either hand, plus he was physical as shyt and was taller/heavier than Dwight with similar athleticism (Pre-microfracture).
yeah, Oden was going to be the next great American big man.

His offensive game still needed some work, but he did play with his back to the basket and had the coordination, and he would have been as good if not better than Dwight defensively. shyt, he was already better on the ball than Dwight.
 
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