Why gas-powered cars aren't going away

[88m3]

Ready or not, here's the proverbial last nail in the coffin. As Cali goes, so does the rest of the US.

California calls time on internal combustion engines from 2035

In the face of federal inaction, the Golden State acts.

arstechnica.com

I wouldn't bet on that

 

[Rice N Beans]

Ready or not, here's the proverbial last nail in the coffin. As Cali goes, so does the rest of the US.

California calls time on internal combustion engines from 2035

In the face of federal inaction, the Golden State acts.

arstechnica.com

Usually, Toyota would do corporate speak on uncertainty. Either the PR backlash from backing initiatives to stop this, or they got something cooking, has caused them to embrace this.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Usually, Toyota would do corporate speak on uncertainty. Either the PR backlash from backing initiatives to stop this, or they got something cooking, has caused them to embrace this.

This shouldn't affect Toyota. They're working on the fuel-cell engine. Only issue would be pressure to get something to market before 2030.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

New 'super-fast' method can shave EV battery charging down to minutes

Machine learning shows that even existing batteries can charge safely and speedily if you treat them right.

www.popsci.com

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I wouldn't bet on that

me either.

Unless theres a real move towards putting superchargers EVERYWHERE, this is just cap

It won't happen

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Can't wait

I'm holding on to my whip for now but my next one gonna be an EV no doubt

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Dealership Quotes $30,000 to Replace Battery in a $10,000 Chevrolet Volt

It's a huge sum to pay for a new battery in an old hybrid, but cheaper alternatives may exist.

www.thedrive.com

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Dealership Quotes $30,000 to Replace Battery in a $10,000 Chevrolet Volt

It's a huge sum to pay for a new battery in an old hybrid, but cheaper alternatives may exist.

www.thedrive.com

Go to the stealership brehs

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Secret Data, Tiny Islands and a Quest for Treasure on the Ocean Floor

Mining in parts of the Pacific Ocean was meant to benefit poor countries, but an international agency gave a Canadian company access to prized seabed sites with metals crucial to the green energy revolution.

www.nytimes.com

Enviornmental time bomb

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Secret Data, Tiny Islands and a Quest for Treasure on the Ocean Floor

Mining in parts of the Pacific Ocean was meant to benefit poor countries, but an international agency gave a Canadian company access to prized seabed sites with metals crucial to the green energy revolution.

www.nytimes.com

Enviornmental time bomb

Burning oil is making the ocean rise up anyway. So we gonna be in the sea regardless. Might as well jump ahead it now.

 

[shonuff]

California just announced today that the is at 98% capcity becuse of the hot summer and is cautioning people to cut off ACs and limit their electronic use

but im supposed to believe that the Grid can handle our regular AC use and the new use to charge millions of EVs?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

California just announced today that the is at 98% capcity becuse of the hot summer and is cautioning people to cut off ACs and limit their electronic use

but im supposed to believe that the Grid can handle our regular AC use and the new use to charge millions of EVs?

People are using this fearmongering tactic without even doing the math. Estimates projecting 4 million electric cars in California by 2035 suggest it will increase electricity demand by around 3% to 6%. That's like one power plant. Even if we converted to 100% electric cars (which is decades away), it would only be about 25% increase on the grid and the vast majority will be in off-peak hours. That's easily attainable 20-30 years from now.

Forbes ain't exactly some treehugger outlet yet they say worrying about electric car load is mostly fearmongering:

Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily – They Just Need Proper Management

One of the most frequent concerns you will see from electric vehicle haters is that the electricity grid can’t possibly cope with all cars becoming EVs. However, they haven’t done the math properly. The grids in most developed nations will be just fine. Here’s how.

www.forbes.com

The problem with the heat wave is that it creates a situation where for brief periods EVERYONE is ramping up their use on certain hours of certain days. That's mostly AC and fans use along with other household and factory work, all of which occurs in the late afternoon and early evening heat.

Electric cars ain't like that, because its easy as fukk to charge them at night and 99% of the population doesn't burn through a full charge in any given day. If anything people are driving during peak use, there's no reason to charge during that late-afternoon peak unless you planned poorly. All you have to do is make sure that people are incentivized to do their charging during the off-peak hours and then the cars will hardly affect that peak grid draw at all.




And, ironically, by fear-mongering against electric cars you're just promoting more gas-burning, leading to more global warming, leading to more heat waves, leading to more AC use, leading to more blowouts of electrical grids....but you're fear-mongering the effects without dealing with the actual problem that causes this shyt, which is burning fossil fuels.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Because it's California, I assume that if they need a safer (maybe greener) power plant, then they'd just build one of these.

Thorium Power

Thorium is an advanced type of nuclear fuel that avoids today's problems with nuclear power. It affords abundant extra heat that can be used to produce resources.

nextgiantleap.org

 

[shonuff]

People are using this fearmongering tactic without even doing the math. Estimates projecting 4 million electric cars in California by 2035 suggest it will increase electricity demand by around 3% to 6%. That's like one power plant. Even if we converted to 100% electric cars (which is decades away), it would only be about 25% increase on the grid and the vast majority will be in off-peak hours. That's easily attainable 20-30 years from now.

Forbes ain't exactly some treehugger outlet yet they say worrying about electric car load is mostly fearmongering:

Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily – They Just Need Proper Management

One of the most frequent concerns you will see from electric vehicle haters is that the electricity grid can’t possibly cope with all cars becoming EVs. However, they haven’t done the math properly. The grids in most developed nations will be just fine. Here’s how.

www.forbes.com

The problem with the heat wave is that it creates a situation where for brief periods EVERYONE is ramping up their use on certain hours of certain days. That's mostly AC and fans use along with other household and factory work, all of which occurs in the late afternoon and early evening heat.

Electric cars ain't like that, because its easy as fukk to charge them at night and 99% of the population doesn't burn through a full charge in any given day. If anything people are driving during peak use, there's no reason to charge during that late-afternoon peak unless you planned poorly. All you have to do is make sure that people are incentivized to do their charging during the off-peak hours and then the cars will hardly affect that peak grid draw at all.




And, ironically, by fear-mongering against electric cars you're just promoting more gas-burning, leading to more global warming, leading to more heat waves, leading to more AC use, leading to more blowouts of electrical grids....but you're fear-mongering the effects without dealing with the actual problem that causes this shyt, which is burning fossil fuels.

hmm im not fear mongering just stating an obvious fact - the whole state of california is under a restriction for power use thats not gonna change in the next 10 years because its obvious - our hotter summers are having more higher temp days which will increase the demand on the system that it didnt have in decades previous - the hoover dam aint hoovering - the power infrastructure needs massive upgrades and extensions that aint happening right now.

the batteies themselves as the tempreture is changin much more rapidly and in extremes which retard their performance- thats simple physics - in extreme cold and extreme heat the batteries simply dont work very well .

not to mention that the material neccessary to build the batteries are rare - they require mining mining whic uses water which is already in short supply in that region - and theres no real plan to deal with the used batteries which have to pollute and poison people for them to deconstructed

thats simple facts - im not against electric powered cars - but im not stupid in the long term we are just trading one pollution for another with no real explanation as to what kind of measures are being made

 

[Professor Emeritus]

hmm im not fear mongering just stating an obvious fact - the whole state of california is under a restriction for power use thats not gonna change in the next 10 years because its obvious - our hotter summers are having more higher temp days which will increase the demand on the system that it didnt have in decades previous - the hoover dam aint hoovering - the power infrastructure needs massive upgrades and extensions that aint happening right now.

the batteies themselves as the tempreture is changin much more rapidly and in extremes which retard their performance- thats simple physics - in extreme cold and extreme heat the batteries simply dont work very well .

But all of that is about peak demand, which is barely impacted by electric vehicles because electric vehicles don't need to charge at peak demand times the same way AC systems, entertainment units, commercial businesses, most factories, and the rest of our infrastructure has to. Middle-of-the-night demand is not a problem, regular day-to-day demand is not a problem, therefore claiming that electric vehicles are going to create a problem due to peak demand days is deflecting from the actual issue.

In fact, failure to shift away from gas-powered cars is one of the main issues that CREATES those hot spells and peak demand days. So if the increase in peak demand days are what you're worried about, then getting the world away from gas and oil should be your primary concern.

not to mention that the material neccessary to build the batteries are rare - they require mining mining whic uses water which is already in short supply in that region - and theres no real plan to deal with the used batteries which have to pollute and poison people for them to deconstructed

I agree with both of those issues, which is why I think it's obvious that we need to reduce consumption regardless of what kinds of vehicles we use. We need to vastly increase the ease of public transport. We need to make it easier for people to live close to their work. We need to get away from the standard that every family should have 2-3 cars, and start thinking about 1-car families and even no-car families where it makes sense. Sadly, the same folk who post articles concerned about battery pollution or unsustainable rare metals harvesting don't want to have those conversations.

thats simple facts - im not against electric powered cars - but im not stupid in the long term we are just trading one pollution for another with no real explanation as to what kind of measures are being made

Again, that's why we need to reduce consumption. But I never see that conversation being had by people who complain about electric cars. We need to get away from fossil fuels AND reduce consumption overall. The status quo is complete untenable.