Why do some black people claim obviously mixed people as black?

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1)I said noteworthy populations equivalent to La Creoles not igsignicant obscure anomalies scattered here and there

the people I was refering to aren't "noted" because they don't identify with a sub ethnicity to bring attention to themselves. Now, the types who might call themselves "Black Indians", "Lumbee" or "Melungeon" are Afram connected and their identity (exclusively indian or dual afram-indian) depends on the region and/or subgroup on how much they're associated to Aframs



North "Black Indian" groups.

What was it like to write the screenplay about the African Burial Ground?

It was a lot of hard work, but I actually enjoyed it because, again, it's the family interest. I had an opportunity to tell the story about how Africans had helped to build New York, which was something that was totally missing from New York history books. The discovery of this burial ground was really proof that Africans had been here, not just a few, but -- you may know the burial ground was about five to six acres in size, and they estimated about 20,000 men, women, and children were buried there. So for me to be able to help correct the history of the city of New York, it was a lot of hard work, but it was very gratifying, one of the most gratifying experiences of my life.

It was difficult for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was finding images of the Africans. I think one of the most difficult aspects of putting this documentary together was collecting the illustrations of enslaved Africans at work. But I found a wonderful artist by the name of Charles Lilley, and his illustrations are used throughout the documentary. I gave him illustrations of Europeans at work, and through those early illustrations we basically were able to indicate the manner in which Africans did their work. And that work, in New York, was clearing the land, clearing the roads. Broadway then was actually a narrow Native American trail that the Africans had to widen. Greenwich Village, in the 17th century, was made up of farms. So getting the illustrations to help people understand the lives of the workers was really the most difficult part.

Did you find any of your family inside the burial ground?

No. I tried to find documentation, and I now maintain that I have a reason to believe, and a belief beyond reason, that I had family in that African Burial Ground. But, no, I do not have documentary evidence of that.

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What relationship did the Native Americans have with the African Americans?

You came to the right guy. It's an interesting relationship that Native Americans and African Americans have, because many of the first Africans who were brought here as slaves intermarried with the Native Americans. Many of them ran away. A lot of the slave runaways went to Native American communities throughout the East Coast. That's why today if you meet the Native Americans from Maine -- the Mi'kmaq, the Narragansett, the Pequot, the Ramapough, the Shinnecock, the Powhatan -- and all the way up to the northeastern seaboard, they're usually identified as "black Indians" because they have intermarried with Africans as well as with Europeans.

My family history is the Lenape [Native Americans] who intermarried with the first Africans and some of the first Dutch. My great-great-grandfather was Samuel DeFreese -- my mother's name was DeFreese, that's a Dutch name. Some others in the family were named de Groot and van Dunk, and, basically, they are the descendants of the Lenape who were here for thousands of years. And so when the Africans and the Dutch arrived in the 1600s, in my family they didn't just fight, they also married. And so that's the legacy of this particular family.

Teaching Multicultural Literature . Workshop 6 . Authors and Literary Works . Interview

These areas are historically known for "Black Indians" in the North

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We Still Live Here: Black Indians of Wampanoag and African Heritage.





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:martin:edit just checked that link....most are the mayos featured are predominately to pure Anglo and make La Creoles look like Gullah by comparison:stopitslime:

Anglo blood vs Franco

2) those Mid to South Atlantic negros aint special:russ:wherever there are AAs you will find a notable but minority ligthskin black populaiton:comeon:

Mid atlantic down to the Carolinas was unique



3) you still have yet to establish a notable equivalent to Louisiana Creoles:jawalrus:

I just explained to you that the random areas of nothing but light skinned aframs isn't the same as La Creoles because they don't identify by a sub label...which is why you never heard of the light skinned Ohio people I posted. A better equivalent because of the sub labels would be the "black indian" groups

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(Afram identified but of the same stock as Lumbee identified people)


What is 'PenderROCK'?

In the beginning was the Walker Family Reunion. Then came the Wheelers. Then came the Williams. So it became the Walker+ Family Reunion.

There used to be the Jacobs Family Reunion. There was also the Merritt Family Reunion. They beget the Jacobs-Merritt Family Reunion.

The Walker+ people and the Jacobs-Merritt people are kin. They started having reunions together -- the Jacobs-Merritt/Walker+ Family Reunion.

The name became rather long and cumbersome.

Who are these people and why are they all in the same family group? They are descendants of people who have lived in Pender County since at least 1765 (Esther Jacobs was on the tax roll that year). They were colored people. They were colored beige. They were colored yellow. They were colored red. They were colored brown.

North Carolina had many clans of free colored people. Each clan was heavily interrelated and was also related to neighboring clans. So the Pender colored people are kin to the Robeson colored people and the Sampson colored people and the Brunswick & Bladen & Columbus colored people.

Some of the other people no longer identify themselves as “colored”. They have become Indian or white. The Pender people continued to be called colored or mulatto. Today, they self-identify as black and/or African American. But they’re still colored beige and colored yellow and colored red and colored brown. And they’re still trying to be free.


Half of the surnames [Jacobs, Messick, Walker, Wheeler] have lived in Pender County since the 1700s. Thus, the combined reunion was renamed the Pender Reunion Of Colored Kindred (PenderROCK).

Half of the families [West, Merritt, Williams] came to Pender from nearby Sampson County in the 1880s. PenderROCK has been strengthened by the increasing attendance of Sampson County cousins who share the same lineage

PenderROCK > 'PenderROCK'?



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@Illuminati devil...will your cac ass stop posting your whole st0rmfr0nt journals in each post? i want to address you directly but can't cause all the spam you posted is too much to quote:stopitslime:


-the topic at hand is a notable MGM alleged mulatto population group equivalent to La Creoles not black Native American subgroups Flintone:comeon:..remember your absurd stance is all AAs are admixed with Caucasoid.not native American people ...try and stay consistent/on topic:ufdup:

- i stopped reading the rest of that fairtytale/romanticized new black propaganda you posted when it implied during slavery free blacks men were openly and significantly breeding with cave Beckies at such a rate they created a mulatto community/sub group with no repercussions from the law or Confederate militia surrounding them:aicmon: first of all ouside of maybe Seminole lands free black people during slavery times in the whole South were few and far between and despised by the cac community(including women) whom most likely were looking for a reason/opportunity to put whom they deemed uppidity negros back in chains but i'm really supposed to believe maybe a few dozen free bedbucks in Antebellum South era NC and VA were able to cream pie harems white women and create a notable populations of admxied North Carolinian and Virginians:childplease:

-as as i showed you the vast majority of AAs in that states(including their lightskin populations) are no different from AA communities across the rest of the country...has it ever occurred to your dumbass that those lightskin black people only identify as black cause that's all they are?:martin:

-again what does black Native Americans have do with your absurd theory on the mulatto heritage of AAs a a whole:what:[/QUOTE]
 
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@Illuminati devil...will your cac ass stop posting your whole st0rmfr0nt journals in each post? i want to address you directly but can't cause all the spam you posted is too much to quote:stopitslime:


-the topic at hand is a notable MGM alleged mulatto population group equivalent to La Creoles not black Native American subgroups Flintone:comeon:..remember your absurd stance is all AAs are admixed with Caucasoid.not native American people ...try and stay consistent/on topic:ufdup:

If you knew you history you would know the these "native" subgroups are actually Afram mulattos w/traces of Indian to varying degrees



- i stopped reading the rest of that fairtytale/romanticized new black propaganda you posted when it implied during slavery free blacks men were openly and significantly breeding with cave Beckies at such a rate they created a mulatto community/sub group with no repercussions from the law or Confederate militia surrounding them:aicmon: first of all ouside of maybe Seminole lands free black people during slavery times in the whole South were few and far between and despised by the cac community(including women) whom most likely were looking for a reason/opportunity to put whom they deemed uppidity negros back in chains but i'm really supposed to believe maybe a few dozen free bedbucks in Antebellum South era NC and VA were able to cream pie harems white women and create a notable populations of admxied North Carolinian and Virginians:childplease:

It happened and are undeniable facts! It happened before full blown chattel slavery/harder racial codes took hold





-as as i showed you the vast majority of AAs in that states(including their lightskin populations) are no different from AA communities across the rest of the country...has it ever occurred to your dumbass that those lightskin black people only identify as black cause that's all they are?:martin:


:comeon::skip:


-again what does black Native Americans have do with your absurd theory on the mulatto heritage of AAs a a whole:what:
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Did you not read anything that I posted? These "black" native groups are directly correlated to geographic locations where a bunch light skinned aframs congregated


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Delonte: Well, I’m black and American Indian – Piscataway Indian. And with the red bush on my head, this means “Chief Redz.”

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This talk focuses on the tri-racial roots of John Mercer Langston and his brothers Charles and Gideon. It considers the background of their mother, Lucy Jane Langston, who was the daughter of a Pamunkey (Powhatan) mother and an African American father, as well as their father, Ralph Quarles, a Revolutionary War Captain. While the three Langston young men moved to Ohio shortly after their parents’ deaths, their sister and her family remained in Virginia. What were their lives like before Oberlin? How different were their lives in Ohio compared to their sister who continued to live in antebellum Virginia? Was theirs a unique story, or just an untold chapter of American history? Presented by Dr. Judith E. King-Calnek, an educational anthropologist and instructor at the United Nations International School and a Langston relative. Co-sponsored by the John Mercer Langston Institute and the Oberlin Heritage Center.

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This piqued my interest, what is this book called?
 
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[QUOTE="IllmaticDelta, post: 19737145, member: 17615"]If you knew you history you would know the these "native" subgroups are actually Afram mulattos w/traces of Indian to varying degrees





It happened and are undeniable facts! It happened before full blown chattel slavery/harder racial codes took hold








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Did you not read anything that I posted? These "black" native groups are directly correlated to geographic locations where a bunch light skinned aframs congregated


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why does this Aryan snowman think it revisionist version of AA history is more reputable than AA accounts themselves:camby:I know my history Opey and so do most AAs which is why i'm not so easy to sway by your whitewashing and Eurocenetric perversion of Afram history..

chattel slavery was practiced at the very beginning of the Trans Atlantic slave trade /slavery in this country until is' very end:comeon:i hope your dumbass no implying Africans were shipped here in chains and sold like cattle at slave markets then treated like family and allowed to breed with the same devils whom owned them in the early stages of Amerikkkkan slavery:stopitslime:

can you not read...I skimmed through it got to the outrageous tale about an emancipated slaves breeding with pink toes and stopped right there:francis:

what is posting photos of AA celebs,historical figures and their relatives supposed to prove:what:find a new hobby or another people to obese over Frosty...black history aint your thing:ufdup:
 

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why does this Aryan snowman think it revisionist version of AA history is more reputable than AA accounts themselves:camby:I know my history Opey and so do most AAs which is why i'm not so easy to sway by your whitewashing and Eurocenetric perversion of Afram history..

chattel slavery was practiced at the very beginning of the Trans Atlantic slave trade /slavery in this country until is' very end:comeon:i hope your dumbass no implying Africans were shipped here in chains and sold like cattle at slave markets then treated like family and allowed to breed with the same devils whom owned them in the early stages of Amerikkkkan slavery:stopitslime:

can you not read...I skimmed through it got to the outrageous tale about an emancipated slaves breeding with pink toes and stopped right there:francis:

what is posting photos of AA celebs,historical figures and their relatives supposed to prove:what:find a new hobby or another people to obese over Frosty...black history aint your thing:ufdup:


You're grasp on Afram history is lacking considering you did ask this ridiculous question

-obviously not for you considering your dumbass ass thinks average looking AAs are too admixed to pass for African:aicmon:

-elaborate....you want me to believe white traders identified and divided certain African tribes based on their skillset picking cotton vs doing house chores in the big house:childplease:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/why-...-people-as-black.434595/page-30#post-19535737

 
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