why do so many producers confuse lack of focus with creativity?

[ibrokemyneck]

sometimes i make a beat to be heard, not rapped over tho. sometiems i make it with the intention of it being rapped on. this was a good read tho, kinda refreshed my mind on what i should be focusing on. i guess my goal isn't to sell everythign i make so some of it can be for me/what i want to express.

 

[Wildin]

Hook or no hook a beat can be spat on. If I can mix it up then yeah there will be transitions, hooks, intros and outros otherwise it's just to spit/freestyle to.

 

[Myrical Lyfe]

Structure seems to kill me all the time. Smh.

And I do A nearly everyday as well. Smh.

For me, my day job is ruining my producing life.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

1 other thing i kinda hate about Real Hip-Hop.
It's that it's Tempo is usually always between 80-100 BPM.
Rap would be more creative if it had all tempo's.

 

[mortuus est]

lol you guys need to listen to more genres

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I'm not saying producers should conform to some imaginary standard. nikkas can produce what they want. It's just that if you're one of those types of producers that are struggling to find an artist to work with you should try to make beats with some sort of structure because those types of beats are more inviting to potential collabs.

I rather tell someone to take something out ( a chorus/intro etc...) than have to tell a nikka, " Aye, could you add an intro, do a transition change for the verse, then add something different for the outro. You're almost telling dude the beat's unfinished and that it ain't ready for you to record since you gotta add a bunch of shyt. Pretty much slowing up the song making process.

A beat can still be on some creative shyt while maintaining some sort of structure, but

I'm not arguing the length of bars/verses/chorus/etc.... That doesn't matter. I'm just saying cats should keep that in mind and have it there if they want to successfully market their beats to artists for collabs.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

I'm not saying producers should conform to some imaginary standard. nikkas can produce what they want. It's just that if you're one of those types of producers that are struggling to find an artist to work with you should try to make beats with some sort of structure because those types of beats are more inviting to potential collabs.

I rather tell someone to take something out ( a chorus/intro etc...) than have to tell a nikka, " Aye, could you add an intro, do a transition change for the verse, then add something different for the outro. You're almost telling dude the beat's unfinished and that it ain't ready for you to record since you gotta add a bunch of shyt. Pretty much slowing up the song making process.

A beat can still be on some creative shyt while maintaining some sort of structure, but

I'm not arguing the length of bars/verses/chorus/etc.... That doesn't matter. I'm just saying cats should keep that in mind and have it there if they want to successfully market their beats to artists for collabs.

What you saying sounds good except for the fact that you still assume the beat structure that you are arguing for is the set standard that everyone wants. I have already pointed out that it isn't.

My point in mentioning the tracking out the beat aspect was simply to say that once you do so the beat is out of your hand. I guess it gets into the beat maker/producer discussion. Alot of artist are producers and work with producers so once you send them a beat they will restructure it to their liking. If they want your structure then cool but if not it's going to get changed. Not sure why you are saying the length doesn't matter though because that's the same thing I'm saying. I agree, it doesn't matter how many bars you put here or there if the artist doesn't want that amount it will get changed. Just as it doesn't matter if the transition is here, if the artist doesn't want it then it will get changed.

Whatever personal preference the artist has is going to determine how the beat turns out. You don't have any say in what the artist keeps or changes. To assume that they would add an intro, do a transition then add something different for the outro goes right back into your imaginary standard structure that you assume everyone wants but in reality doesn't.

If someone makes the type of beat that is just one long loop something like that would be perfect for a skit or commercial or movie or radio drop etc. There is more to making music than typical music industry standard songs for major artist. It sounds flattering that you can sell a beat to Meek Mill and he will just use it as is. But that's probably not the reality. More than likely something will be changed to your beat for no other reason than for the person on his team to get part of the production credit.

We can go back and forth all day so I'll just say that I disagree with you.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

What you saying sounds good except for the fact that you still assume the beat structure that you are arguing for is the set standard that everyone wants. I have already pointed out that it isn't.

My point in mentioning the tracking out the beat aspect was simply to say that once you do so the beat is out of your hand. I guess it gets into the beat maker/producer discussion. Alot of artist are producers and work with producers so once you send them a beat they will restructure it to their liking. If they want your structure then cool but if not it's going to get changed. Not sure why you are saying the length doesn't matter though because that's the same thing I'm saying. I agree, it doesn't matter how many bars you put here or there if the artist doesn't want that amount it will get changed. Just as it doesn't matter if the transition is here, if the artist doesn't want it then it will get changed.

Whatever personal preference the artist has is going to determine how the beat turns out. You don't have any say in what the artist keeps or changes. To assume that they would add an intro, do a transition then add something different for the outro goes right back into your imaginary standard structure that you assume everyone wants but in reality doesn't.

If someone makes the type of beat that is just one long loop something like that would be perfect for a skit or commercial or movie or radio drop etc. There is more to making music than typical music industry standard songs for major artist. It sounds flattering that you can sell a beat to Meek Mill and he will just use it as is. But that's probably not the reality. More than likely something will be changed to your beat for no other reason than for the person on his team to get part of the production credit.

We can go back and forth all day so I'll just say that I disagree with you.

ok

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with making structured beats. It's like amplifying the potential something has. If you're just fukking around making beats for fun, then yeah structure doesn't matter as much. There's a lot of producers that fall into that category. There's nothing wrong with that. I know a bunch of nikkas that make dope beats, but aren't trying to do anything with them.

Most of the producers that I know that take their craft serious to the point where their making money and building a catalog post/create structured beats. I've seen it help them, but it doesn't matter in the long run because everyone's commitment level to this shyt is different.

 

[SlurRty]

damn you really took this time to go off on other producers huh lol

 

[Why-Fi]

well if they are collaborate its kind of a dikk move to be wasting someone elses time playing around.

only thing i really hate about other producers is they dont rap. i think we'd have a lot more original shyt out there if everybody who made beats at least rap on some of them.

 

[MrPentatonic]

im guilty of A, I used to think making beats that sound similar was a bad thing but as I've stopped making music for a little bit, i can see the reality of it now.

 

[karim]

well if they are collaborate its kind of a dikk move to be wasting someone elses time playing around.

only thing i really hate about other producers is they dont rap. i think we'd have a lot more original shyt out there if everybody who made beats at least rap on some of them.

this, it's wasting time. As I said, i've been doing music for a long time and a lot of people ask me for help or want to collaborate to learn from me. But when you're trying to teach them the ropes, egos and lack of focus get involved. And as far as structure goes, a lot of people don't get that standard structures aren't a lack of creativity, they are a tool to channel your creativity. Once you mastered these tools and know how to structure different songs to achieve specific goals, then you can go and try to do something different. But don't just sit there and aimlessly add layers to loops. It's the same as writing raps. You need to master the art of writing a dope sixteen, before you go and write verse of 64 bars if you want to keep the listeners attention.