Why do producers always borrow from eachothers style?
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i have my own sound and style now
basically it took years to evolve to my own sound
copying other producers styles allowed me to evolve into my own style and sound
that's how it works in all music
for some it's faster than others but still the same principle
on a side note: alot of producers copy becuz they wanna sell beats and its what the buyers want
basically it took years to evolve to my own sound
copying other producers styles allowed me to evolve into my own style and sound
that's how it works in all music
for some it's faster than others but still the same principle
on a side note: alot of producers copy becuz they wanna sell beats and its what the buyers want
ThaRealness
Superstar
Because alot of producers think of hip hop as a craft rather then an art.
Funny cause this guy is from my city , look at this one this dude got incredible skillz
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Tommy Knocks
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Ive been saying this for YEARS. that's why I have no problems playing my style on here despite it being very different from everyone elses. Its my identity, its me. Some will like, some wont. Thing is everyone wants to be a producer but not everyone wants to be an artist. Go on youtube and most songs are just reversed engineering a popular beat or "Kanye type beat", "insert producer type beat".
At the same time, someone earlier made a great point, rappers (who are also clones themselves) dont want to risk take. I mean take a look at Clams Casino and Beautiful Lou, it took them A HELL OF A grind to get recognition, he was playing that ambient sound back when ring tones were the popular shyt. It literally took another risk taker, Lil B, to jump on a track, meanwhile Clams was sitting on a gold mine of beats. Say what you will about Lil B, but he's influential. People follow artists/creative people, their ability to be confident in being different. Now a days swag rap is an entire sub-genre now.
There's not a lot of Lil B's tho. Someone that will even jump on a track with just a sample of wind. Most guys, esp in the hood, arent real "artists". Kanye already said that. It takes a level of confidence and being comfortable with yourself to be an artist. Your true expression is out for all to see, and some may not like it, that alone sways people away from thinking outside the box.
I tried to make beats like other people when I first started (great way to learn how to move around your studio) but it always came out sounding different so I gave up. I remember trying to mimic Young L and Bangladesh's style, sounds so easy, but it just never came out the same, I realized that's because I was trying to put on a tailored suit. I'm an art major, my brain just wont allow me to mimic, it's trained to think off the fly and express.
A good way for some to find their own style....
Don't listen to music for 7 days, and then go in the studio, no samples, no sample folders, and start a beat from scratch. Your mind should be a blank canvas and think up something from scratch.
At the same time, someone earlier made a great point, rappers (who are also clones themselves) dont want to risk take. I mean take a look at Clams Casino and Beautiful Lou, it took them A HELL OF A grind to get recognition, he was playing that ambient sound back when ring tones were the popular shyt. It literally took another risk taker, Lil B, to jump on a track, meanwhile Clams was sitting on a gold mine of beats. Say what you will about Lil B, but he's influential. People follow artists/creative people, their ability to be confident in being different. Now a days swag rap is an entire sub-genre now.
There's not a lot of Lil B's tho. Someone that will even jump on a track with just a sample of wind. Most guys, esp in the hood, arent real "artists". Kanye already said that. It takes a level of confidence and being comfortable with yourself to be an artist. Your true expression is out for all to see, and some may not like it, that alone sways people away from thinking outside the box.
I tried to make beats like other people when I first started (great way to learn how to move around your studio) but it always came out sounding different so I gave up. I remember trying to mimic Young L and Bangladesh's style, sounds so easy, but it just never came out the same, I realized that's because I was trying to put on a tailored suit. I'm an art major, my brain just wont allow me to mimic, it's trained to think off the fly and express.
A good way for some to find their own style....
Don't listen to music for 7 days, and then go in the studio, no samples, no sample folders, and start a beat from scratch. Your mind should be a blank canvas and think up something from scratch.
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Tommy Knocks
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well. that was short and effective. I should have read that before I wrote that big ass paragraph.
ThaRealness
Superstar
haha... it was a pretty good rant thoughwell. that was short and effective. I should have read that before I wrote that big ass paragraph.
great post
Risk takers make the most interesting and lasting art. People on the Coli always "bu bu ASAP Rocky" me on all my comments. And act like it's so crazy that I'd only be into Lil B and Rocky. They're pretty much the only new rappers doing risky shyt, backed by risky producers.
Be@t Bangerz Fan
Pro
It all boils down to politics...Plain and simple!
I agree, but I think Kendrick did some risky shyt with his latest. I thought it was dope.
I like rappers that like to step out of the box, and I 100% agree that the ones that do it, and are successful are the ones that make music that lasts.
For example, 95% of trap music is disposable, completely forgettable. It's not garbage, I like a lot of it. But it's just an at the moment thing cuz everything sounds so similar and doesn't separate itself.
I can listen to a trap song, be feelin it and then forget about it when the next one comes on.
The songs I remember and continuously go back to are the diff rent ones.
my observation is that people that blow up and end up changing the game are usually people that go center-left.
best advice i could give is to not just sell beats to rappers. you gotta actually produce their records. develop a relationship with them. earn their trust and they'll buy into your vision. challenge them. don't be scared of tension or confrontation (while remaining professional). not saying to be a dictator. not saying to chase confrontations either. just don't be scared of it if it arises. be open to their input as well. but you're the producer. don't hold grudges. music above the ego. have the right mindset and be that confident. the artist you're working with will have no choice but to
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it also helps if you're working on a whole body of work with an artist or at least multiple tracks from the project because 1. you get more time with them and develop a rapport and 2. you have more opportunities to experiment and give multiple flavors of your sound.
again, you're the producer.
best advice i could give is to not just sell beats to rappers. you gotta actually produce their records. develop a relationship with them. earn their trust and they'll buy into your vision. challenge them. don't be scared of tension or confrontation (while remaining professional). not saying to be a dictator. not saying to chase confrontations either. just don't be scared of it if it arises. be open to their input as well. but you're the producer. don't hold grudges. music above the ego. have the right mindset and be that confident. the artist you're working with will have no choice but to
.it also helps if you're working on a whole body of work with an artist or at least multiple tracks from the project because 1. you get more time with them and develop a rapport and 2. you have more opportunities to experiment and give multiple flavors of your sound.
again, you're the producer.
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To be honest, we all influence each other. even if you don't realize it.
Now straight biting style is a no-go but being influenced and having small additions from influences isn't bad. for example,
*Chopping Style like Dilla
*Drums like Alchemist
*Sample selection like Apollo Brown
^^^ That isn't copying, that's mixing different techniques with your own creativity. but all these trap beats on YouTube do sound somewhat too similar.
DJ Mart-Kos
All Star
Of course, only the fact that you're going to make a Hip-Hop beat is based on what you've heard before.