Why do people accept and live under dictator like hood rules. But hate the government so much?

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i think you are bias in favor of ignorance, if you really think cops kill less than whoever else in america then whatever thats what you think

white men started gangster culture in america and you think police agents are the antagonists? logical fallacy
You ask me for proof of cops killings compared to gang killings. That wasn't enough for you I see.
You are right, whites started gang shyt and shytted on blacks back then. They still do gang shyt and shyt in blacks. But these dumb nikkas still will worship that shyt(see godfather). But that a whole other topic.
 

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For one, I think you're painting "the black community" with too broad a brush. Your very first paragraph you talk about "not snitching," but that doesn't even really apply outside of the underclass, and within the criminal subculture. It's not gospel in the black community as a whole.

It's not as if regular dudes in the hood are spelling out these philosophical arguments in their head about morals and liberty. Those values you speak of are not based on philosophical inquiry or any moral imperative. They're reactive strategies born out of extreme living conditions. To use your first example of not snitching, that's born out of distrust of the police who historically have never had the best interest of poor black people in mind as well as the desire to avoid the blowback consequences of snitching, such as the people you snitched on getting revenge on you in the form of physical retaliation or being shamed as a snitch. There wasn't some townhall debate where people decided not snitching was a sound moral philosophy. It's not that hard to figure out.
I'm talking about the lower class breh. And you'd be surprised how far reaching "no snitching reaches" outside if the black lower class.

Some of that is spot on, some of it is learned and some is just adopted just cause. I don't give a fukk after a certain point you know what's wrong.

I just ask a question. Sure I believe some of what I said. Because I don't know, that's why I asked. But it seems like some of y'all are only interested attacking what I have seen and experienced rather than address the topic.

I'm not talking about the black community as a whole.
 

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I'm talking about the lower class breh. And you'd be surprised how far reaching "no snitching reaches" outside if the black lower class.

Some of that is spot on, some of it is learned and some is just adopted just cause. I don't give a fukk after a certain point you know what's wrong.

I just ask a question. Sure I believe some of what I said. Because I don't know, that's why I asked. But it seems like some of y'all are only interested attacking what I have seen and experienced rather than address the topic.

I'm not talking about the black community as a whole.
I addressed the topic as directly as possible. To them, it's largely immaterial whether they're "right" or "wrong." Right and wrong goes out the window much of the time when it comes to extreme living conditions, and that goes for any people throughout history. The worldviews you're describing are just reactive strategies. Do you think anybody actually thinks selling crack for example, is a good, moral thing to do? It's a survival strategy...and a dumb one at that when you look at the big picture and see most probably outcomes, but that's still what it is. You talk about people hating the government but taking welfare and section 8 and food stamps. The imperative behind that is the same thing: self-interest...survival. Self-interest will always cause friction with at least, and often supersede a moral philosophy under extreme conditions.
 

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You ask me for proof of cops killings compared to gang killings. That wasn't enough for you I see.
You are right, whites started gang shyt and shytted on blacks back then. They still do gang shyt and shyt in blacks. But these dumb nikkas still will worship that shyt(see godfather). But that a whole other topic.


i asked you because i wanted to see if you had some better sources than me :manny: doesnt mean i have to accept it though especially when it clearly says the list incomplete, come on now

@VictorVonDoom said alot of the stuff i would have used to combat those claims made earlier though, pretty accurate imo

how could you expect someone black living in those conditions to accept cop culture when all it does is lead them to jail even if they dont commit crimes? what about all the false imprisonments of these people? or better yet the laws that jail men for smoking weed and having a couple grams, one of the most petty "crimes" ever established by law


check out this video





you could say drug lords and politicians are the same since alot of them work together but who are these drug lords in the black community is what i want to know, all that coke and shyt like that isnt being made in america by some hood nikkas in a projects breh
 

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I'm thinking a fair amount of hood people or people from the hood use food stamps, section 8 and whatever else is available to them. Yet they hate the government so bad. Why?But they love and respect the notion of a real nikka getting his in the street. Which ultimately means criminal activity.



maybe because stamps/8 are more than deserved (not saying that it is enough either) for past and present slaveship by the government, and one of the few ways black women and children can look up to men handling buisness to keep them secure and safe is criminal activity? not every drug dealing shooter is doing these things simply out of spite or ignorance
 

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maybe because stamps/8 are more than deserved (not saying that it is enough either) for past and present slaveship by the government, and one of the few ways black women and children can look up to men handling buisness to keep them secure and safe is criminal activity? not every drug dealing shooter is doing these things simply out of spite or ignorance
i asked you because i wanted to see if you had some better sources than me :manny: doesnt mean i have to accept it though especially when it clearly says the list incomplete, come on now

@VictorVonDoom said alot of the stuff i would have used to combat those claims made earlier though, pretty accurate imo

how could you expect someone black living in those conditions to accept cop culture when all it does is lead them to jail even if they dont commit crimes? what about all the false imprisonments of these people? or better yet the laws that jail men for smoking weed and having a couple grams, one of the most petty "crimes" ever established by law


check out this video





you could say drug lords and politicians are the same since alot of them work together but who are these drug lords in the black community is what i want to know, all that coke and shyt like that isnt being made in america by some hood nikkas in a projects breh

Just stop breh. If you need @VictorVonDoom to respond for you then you shouldn't post.
 

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No snitching would be more understandable if the black community actually addressed those people who committed crimes. People don't even use it fukking properly and have extended it past the criminal element. Kids are definitely are being indoctrinated at early age and you don't want to be the kid that's labeled one. It's not even a black community issue either because Italians and Hispanics be on that same shyt too. I bet you those poor rednecks be on that code of silence shyt too. We live in a society where you get punished for doing the right thing.
 

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I addressed the topic as directly as possible. To them, it's largely immaterial whether they're "right" or "wrong." Right and wrong goes out the window much of the time when it comes to extreme living conditions, and that goes for any people throughout history. The worldviews you're describing are just reactive strategies. Do you think anybody actually thinks selling crack for example, is a good, moral thing to do? It's a survival strategy...and a dumb one at that when you look at the big picture and see most probably outcomes, but that's still what it is. You talk about people hating the government but taking welfare and section 8 and food stamps. The imperative behind that is the same thing: self-interest...survival. Self-interest will always cause friction with at least, and often supersede a moral philosophy under extreme conditions.
I feel were you coming from. But I'm telling you most do know its bad. Most do have better options. And if you pose this question to them they are liable to reference slavery and skip over time periods were blacks did for themselves. But rather make the quick buck.

Most of these people are selfish. The cousin who I was talking about, his dad was a pastor and he wasn't dirt poor either. This shyt is being glorified as the thing to do. Welfare and section 8 are being taking advantage off by people who can work. By females with a bunch of kids. i just heard that the state will pay for a female on assistance to get her tubes tied after her third kid. Come on breh. You should know all this . I feel you though. You wanna stand up and make an excuse to very bad living conditions.

The hoods nikkas I been around, crooked cops get more respect than honest ones, funny as that may seem. They hate all cops but the crooked ones get a pass cause they more like them)about that paper) actual heard these convos .

These the same females who think they 7 year old daughter tweaking is cute. They can't help that either huh breh? It dont take moral philosophy under extreme conditions to know thats wrong.That's a survival strategy? You said self interest and survival. I say self interest and lazy ess. But we can agree to disagree.

Giving stupidity as pass is what's going to keep everything the way it is know.
 

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I feel were you coming from. But I'm telling you most do know its bad. Most do have better options. And if you pose this question to them they are liable to reference slavery and skip over time periods were blacks did for themselves. But rather make the quick buck.

Most of these people are selfish. The cousin who I was talking about, his dad was a pastor and he wasn't dirt poor either. This shyt is being glorified as the thing to do. Welfare and section 8 are being taking advantage off by people who can work. By females with a bunch of kids. i just heard that the state will pay for a female on assistance to get her tubes tied after her third kid. Come on breh. You should know all this . I feel you though. You wanna stand up and make an excuse to very bad living conditions.

The hoods nikkas I been around, crooked cops get more respect than honest ones, funny as that may seem. They hate all cops but the crooked ones get a pass cause they more like them)about that paper) actual heard these convos .

These the same females who think they 7 year old daughter tweaking is cute. They can't help that either huh breh? It dont take moral philosophy under extreme conditions to know thats wrong.That's a survival strategy? You said self interest and survival. I say self interest and lazy ess. But we can agree to disagree.

Giving stupidity as pass is what's going to keep everything the way it is know.
You're talking about something entirely different now and you're accusing me of making excuses or giving passes, which I never did. I'm not defending the mentality or the culture it breeds. It's obviously maladaptive. I was only attempting to answer the question you posed in the OP.
 

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I see you havent responded to his points though which are good and there is nothing wrong with admitting that even though i made my own as well

You wanted reasoning you got it
Don't be that guy.

I posted stats that were incomplete (so you say). Incomplete as far as proving my point. In 2012 that's how many times cops have killed anyone in the state. And I said, let's just say they were all innocent people( which they weren't). The gangs stats were incomplete. Because it was only one city:heh:. And the year wasn't even over.

Don't be that guy breh.
 

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You're talking about something entirely different now and you're accusing me of making excuses or giving passes, which I never did. I'm not defending the mentality or the culture it breeds. It's obviously maladaptive. I was only attempting to answer the question you posed in the OP.
My bad. I did post more than one question though. And it does all kinda tie into one another.
 

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Don't be that guy.

I posted stats that were incomplete (so you say). Incomplete as far as proving my point. In 2012 that's how many times cops have killed anyone in the state. And I said, let's just say they were all innocent people( which they weren't). The gangs stats were incomplete. Because it was only one city:heh:. And the year wasn't even over.

Don't be that guy breh.


You have a point of what is in recent history supposedly but look at this


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do you know how many years citizens have supposedly been killing more than police? or how many cops were killing before 94? wow

im willing to think those current numbers are possibly garbage



The number of justifiable homicides committed by police and private citizens has been rising in the past two years to their highest levels in more than a decade, reflecting a shoot-first philosophy in dealing with crime, say law enforcement analysts.

The 391 killings by police that were ruled justifiable in 2007 were the most since 1994, FBI statistics show. The 254 killings by private individuals found to be self-defense were the most since 1997.

The FBI says a homicide committed by a private citizen is justified when a person is slain during the commission of a felony, such as a burglary or robbery. Police are justified, the FBI says, when felons are killed while the officer is acting in the line of duty. Rulings on these deaths are usually made by the local police agencies involved.

Some law enforcement analysts say the numbers represent changing attitudes on the streets, where police have felt more threatened by well-armed offenders, and citizens have taken greater responsibility for their own safety.

Northeastern University criminal justice professor James Alan Fox describes an emerging "shoot-first" mentality by police and private citizens. For several years, police departments have armed their officers with higher-powered weapons to keep pace with criminal gangs. "Clearly there is a message out there that citizens may be able to defend themselves" as well, he says.

Alfred Blumstein, a Carnegie Mellon University criminologist, says the gun "legalization movement" also may have helped create a "greater willingness" among citizens to act in self-defense.

Forty-eight states provide various rights to carry firearms. Illinois and Wisconsin do not, according to the National Rifle Association. In a landmark decision, the Supreme Court in June carved out a right to individual gun ownership, ruling that the Second Amendment allows citizens to keep guns in their homes for self-defense.

The NRA and other analysts say most laws allowing gun possession have existed for years and would not likely account for a recent spike in self-defense killings.

Instead, Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president and chief executive officer, says the Sept. 11 attacks and the widespread looting and violence after Hurricane Katrina spurred some people to take more responsibility for their own safety.

Immediately after those events, LaPierre says the group's gun-safety trainers reported "big increases" in NRA-sponsored courses. "Americans are simply refusing to be victims," he says.

Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck says the FBI underestimates self-defense killings by citizens because the ones that are not precipitated by felony crimes may not get counted. "Less than a third of (citizen killings) are reported," he says.




look at this crazy shyt breh, they killing folks for robbery or theft(justifiable :rudy:) and wondering why people kill them or snitches, but the nra makes sure the guns are in the communities and hide their hands after little kids follow that example growing up not scared to shoot or do what they can to survive but you wondering why we got a gang culture


the criminologist says less than a third of citizen killings are reported so what makes you think they dont hide cop killings?
 

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You have a point of what is in recent history supposedly but look at this


homicides.jpg




do you know how many years citizens have supposedly been killing more than police? or how many cops were killing before 94? wow

im willing to think those current numbers are possibly garbage








look at this crazy shyt breh, they killing folks for robbery or theft(justifiable :rudy:) and wondering why people kill them or snitches, but the nra makes sure the guns are in the communities and hide their hands after little kids follow that example growing up not scared to shoot or do what they can to survive but you wondering why we got a gang culture


the criminologist says less than a third of citizen killings are reported so what makes you think they dont hide cop killings?
Hell yea, i bet they do, real shyt. I ain't even gone argue that shyt, cause I know most officers aren't held to the same penalty as us when it comes to the law.

I'm pretty sure justifiable homicide to some of those cops means, as long as he's black. Then they throw some trumped up charges on top and the cop gets suspended with pay aka getting away with murder. And thats only if they they caught.

Props for the find to. Cause I could not find shyt but some random news articles outta Chicago about gang stats.
 
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