Why didn't/hasn't Detroit become a Black Mecca? Over 80% blk, Democratic mayors since 1962. Half the time Dem gov. It had the infrastructure, homes

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How is it wild to think pivoting is crazy? Don’t every city have to evolve and adapt?

It's objectively delusional and not based in any type of reality that working class people have EVER lived in this country.

Regular working class people do not have the luxury to just go and "pivot" or "make new industries"....they have bills to pay, families to feed etc.



 

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But with all that time, why didn't black folks begin/start new industries?

Black people should industrialize. Black people in America, The Caribbean, Latin America, Europe, and of course, Africa.

The question is how does one industrialize?

In a sense, Berry Gordy did industrialize production of music with the Motown Sound.

How does one take that framework and apply it to something else?
Something more substantial than floating atop the white owned media complex?

What, besides financial capital, is required?

The Black folks that was working on the production line at some closed GM Plant, could easily turn around and be on the production line at Hummer or some other military vehicle production place....

So it's not the ability turn a wrench...

It's something more.

I don't see a lot of Black leaders and Black Academics talking about this, much less do anything.

There's are plenty of Black American politicians that will bend over backwards for "businessmen" to come in and exploit the cities that we "control", or the land that we "own" - but I don't see any sort of development of the Black masses to become industrialists...

And it makes me much angrier when I look abroad to The Caribbean and Africa. It's outsiders and former colonizers that do the business and build the major industries... When you let the World Bank dictate your own economic policy...When you let the Chinese build everything with their own management, technical staff, workforce and financing...

You never learn how to do these things yourself.
You're always reliant on the "generosity" of others. And that generosity is usually a mask for some sort of predator behavior.
 

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You answered your own question.

The city was built on automotive manufacturing. Republican business leaders moved production overseas in search of lower COGs and higher profits. Jobs and entire plants were eliminated. Those who could, fled the city for other opportunities. With shrinking industry and population, tax base dramatically decreased resulting in insufficient dollars to manage a city of its size.

The effect of automotive offshoring spread to other industries. Retail was hit by lower population and less disposable income. Real estate was hit by declining property values and declining demand. As a result, the snowball effect kicked in and further diminished the city.

TLDR: Capitalism and Republican Greed
 

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Black people should industrialize. Black people in America, The Caribbean, Latin America, Europe, and of course, Africa.

The question is how does one industrialize?

In a sense, Berry Gordy did industrialize production of music with the Motown Sound.

How does one take that framework and apply it to something else?
Something more substantial than floating atop the white owned media complex?

What, besides financial capital, is required?

The Black folks that was working on the production line at some closed GM Plant, could easily turn around and be on the production line at Hummer or some other military vehicle production place....

So it's not the ability turn a wrench...

It's something more.

I don't see a lot of Black leaders and Black Academics talking about this, much less do anything.

There's are plenty of Black American politicians that will bend over backwards for "businessmen" to come in and exploit the cities that we "control", or the land that we "own" - but I don't see any sort of development of the Black masses to become industrialists...

And it makes me much angrier when I look abroad to The Caribbean and Africa. It's outsiders and former colonizers that do the business and build the major industries... When you let the World Bank dictate your own economic policy...When you let the Chinese build everything with their own management, technical staff, workforce and financing...

You never learn how to do these things yourself.
You're always reliant on the "generosity" of others. And that generosity is usually a mask for some sort of predator behavior.

@WIA20XX , What steps have you taken to get closer to this reality? You gotta lead the way.

I agree with many of the facets you listed about the need for black ventures in various fields.
  • You mentioned unreliable black politicians, but have you personally taken strides in lobbying, policy crafting, or held ofice?
  • You mention manufacturing, but have you entered manufacturing mgmt, gotten your chemEng or mechEng training, or done supply chain studies?
  • As far as academia, have you reached out black academics or supported African diasporic bussiness or social science academic journals?
  • All this stuff of course needs financing, but do you have experience fundraising for industrial or political ventures?


When others see you making moves in the right direction, they will join your cause. Black people irrespective of ethnicity tend to be "wait and see" kind of people. Gotta accept that there is no calvary coming to bootstrap for you. We dont have enough doers.




Btw, those werent rhetorical questions. Id genuinely love to hear what moves you've made .:hubie:
 

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  • You mentioned unreliable black politicians, but have you personally taken strides in lobbying, policy crafting, or held ofice?
  • You mention manufacturing, but have you entered manufacturing mgmt, gotten your chemEng or mechEng training, or done supply chain studies?
  • As far as academia, have you reached out black academics or supported African diasporic bussiness or social science academic journals?
  • All this stuff of course needs financing, but do you have experience fundraising for industrial or political ventures?

Without getting too much into my back story, cause these streets are hot

1) I'm in DC, so yes
2) Yes
3) Sorta
4) A bit

Por ejemplo,

1) I remember chatting up the JA Ambassador about cellulosic ethanol, more than a decade ago. (The science has kinda moved on, as I have as well)...but he wasn't really trying to hear it. I swear the Jamaican Govt just "legalized" ganja 10 years ago. But there's a lot of folks in power that profit from the status quo, even if it's just an upper middle class lifestyle...

2) There was a local Black Revolutionary group interested in doing something like Mondragon, but in DC. They, much like the BLM chapter here, were way too caught up in planning and what would not work. Concepts of a Plan type Brehs/Sistas.

They're talking about CoIntelPro, and I'm trying to figure out what we could build...

I've just lost interest and lost faith in trying to "save Black people".

I've done public sector, private sector...worked for small biz, medium biz, Fortune 50...

These folks, Black folks included, want this world that we live in.
 
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