Amo Husserl
Superstar
Because they gotta learn the way I did been causin' black people to rob themselves like white folks robbed black people.
Why did Michael Bivons do Boyz II Men the same way he got done
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ding ding ding. the egos on those brothers, while justified to an extent, also proved to be their undoing.
Ol’Otis
The Picasso of the Ghetto
Kam owed taxes
Even solo admitted it and admitted he was wrong for beating up cube
Splakavellie504
Superstar
Not true at all because they worked with Babyface on II, Evolution, and the Full Circle album. Face is their idol and they studied under him once they got in the biz. They were more mad at Motown for not giving them the freedom to write and produce more of what they wanted on the II album. I understand them because Cooley High outside of End Of The Road is their music and the album sold like crazy. Face and Jam and Lewis blessed them tho so it worked out.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
That was the album where they told Babyface they didn't need him, bro. Go check the interviews from back then, lol.
Motown made them work with him. They wanted to self-produce the album. That's when the beef with Dallas started.
Sunalmighty
Superstar
elaborate
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Yeah, if you check out Dallas Austin's interviews about the situation, and Kandi, they both get into how all the issues started back then. Everyone that knew the group back then, said their egos got out of control. And how Boyz II Men was acting behind the scenes.
They even did Mike from the group dirty when he got hurt, with his back problems. Dude needed bread for surgery and treatment, and they kicked him out the group and then left him for dead. Bro had to sell his house and get government help. They're straight up a$$holes.
HOW LOX DO J HOOD WORSE?
HE NEVER MADE A DOLLAR FOR THEM.
Splakavellie504
Superstar
Yes Motown made them for the II albym because of the success of End OF The Road, but they didnt diss him or call him washed. My aunt worked at Motown during that time. That album is where they really bonded and learned under Face. Thats why they continued to work with him because he was a mentor to them. Trust if Face got disrespected, he would have never worked with them again. Aint shyt soft about Face. He a G and dont play the BS.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Boyz II Men literally told Dallas and Motown that Babyface was "washed up" in '94 and that they had a different vision for the second album and didn't want the same team of producers running the whole show. They said they didn't need Babyface and said his "sound" didn't work anymore, even though he just hit Tevin with a crazy hit with "Can We Talk" a year before.
The people around them at the time, all tell the same stories. Dallas said out of the million people he's worked with since '89, they were "the worst" to be around. Later on, Mike from the group said that what Dallas was saying was exactly what was going down. Kedar from Motown, who was running the company a couple years later, said he saw the group "acting crazy" and having wild egos with other producers and songwriters, while he was gearing up to drop Badu. So everyone knows this is how they were. Everyone has been speaking about this since the late 90's. These stories ain't nothing new.
Splakavellie504
Superstar
I didnt say they didnt have an ego. Im only speaking about the Face part. That part was false about them disrespecting him. But yes they didnt want to do Face style of R&B. You gotta think about this bro. In the 90s, no other R&B group came close to what B2M did. B2M was Motown and those records paid the bills so Motown wanted to stay with that formula. Look at it from B2M perspective, your peers are starting to do more edgy raunchy music, dress more street, and infuse hip hop. You're doing the "safe" records. Not only you're doing the safe records but you're a four man group sharing your album credits with alot of people and you also signed a bad deal. It worked out for them yes but they had a point as you can see by late 90s that shyt was a done deal and alot of people today criticize their music and image for being "soft." That ego shyt man all the mfers in the biz got an out of this world ego.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
I'm not talking about egos. I'm speaking on actions and words.
The start of that second album was a mess. The people who were overseeing the project back then, all tell the same story. So saying a legend is "washed up" and calling him and telling him, "your services are not needed", is wild disrespectful. I'm not getting into how many records they sold and all that. That's not the point here. The point is that the people who put them on, and worked with them after the success, all have the exact same stories about how they were treating people. Babyface included. That's why Motown dropped them. Too much drama between them and producers and writers, according to Kedar. He had to squash beef with them and Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Back then, we were always hearing about them starting sh*t with people. And just being a$$holes.
I don’t think multiple people are gonna conspire to lie and make up sh*t about them. I saw them on Howard Stern when he had the VH1 show. They spent 10 mins on there talking sh*t about how Dallas "isn't as good of a producer as he thinks he is". Dude did their whole first album and all those hits on it, and they were on TV speaking about dude crazy. Same way they did to him about Face. That's who they are, and who they've always been.
LV Koopa
Jester from Hell
I remember hearing about the falling out with Mike because of the back issue. I think he complained about performing on stage for years despite the pain and eventually it became too debilitating for him. That's nasty work if they moved like that.
Awesome Wells
The Ghost of Jack Tripper
Sad situation. Because dude didn't want to leave the group. They told him he was messing up the group by always being hurt. So they voted him out.
But then he fell on hard times and didn't have any bread. So he was just doing whatever he could to stay afloat. Had to sell his house and Jill Scott took advantage of dude and offered to buy his house for like 1/2 of what it was worth or something crazy like that. Instead of just giving him the asking price, knowing he needed the bread. I just saw him back with the group recently. So I'm hoping he's doing alright.