Why are some people more motivated than others?

[ADevilYouKhow]

environment, some type of conflict or struggle as a kid, and/or knowing about rewards.

also instinct...

for most men it's p*ssy... or getting things that will allow u to get more p*ssy.

For a few men it's greed.

for a small fraction it's wanting to help people.

For women... it's usually something random.

You forgot Allah

 

[mbewane]

people can bring up 5 kids in the same environment and end up with 5 radically different results, so their unique personality traits have to have at least some basis in their nature.

Unless those 5 kids are born at the same exact moment, the environment will likely evolve one way or another, as well as the financial situation of the parents. Quite often, older brothers/sisters are more "motivated" than the younger one because the parents are still trying to get it together early on, so they see and are part of that struggle, while having to help out too. Younger kids help out less, and (this is my case) parents are "better off" when they are being raised, so they don't see that much struggle and end up a lil more complacent/less motivated. That's not even taking into account the friends of the respective children and the influence they will have on each of those 5. Only valid comparison is between twins who for some reason would grow up in different environments.
Genetics basically sounds too "deterministic" to me, I have a hard time believing that all is played at birth

 

[NZA]

Unless those 5 kids are born at the same exact moment, the environment will likely evolve one way or another, as well as the financial situation of the parents. Quite often, older brothers/sisters are more "motivated" than the younger one because the parents are still trying to get it together early on, so they see and are part of that struggle, while having to help out too. Younger kids help out less, and (this is my case) parents are "better off" when they are being raised, so they don't see that much struggle and end up a lil more complacent/less motivated. That's not even taking into account the friends of the respective children and the influence they will have on each of those 5. Only valid comparison is between twins who for some reason would grow up in different environments.
Genetics basically sounds too "deterministic" to me, I have a hard time believing that all is played at birth

breh, if you think that genes that determine practically everything about your body somehow skip your brain, then you have a lot to learn

the environment is a factor, but it is not everything.

your brain is a muscle, those cells built the brain according to the instructions in your genes...

 

[mbewane]

breh, if you think that genes that determine everything about your body somehow skip your brain, then you have a lot to learn

I'm all ears teacher.

All I'm saying is environment, culture, upbringing and all that have a much bigger impact than genes. The whole deterministic "scientific" explanations of why A does well while B doesn't has been used way too often in history as a ways to just exclude entire segments of a given population because "they're just not like us", all the while totally overlooking social factors. Basically, it's an argument used by some to "explain" why sons of immigrants struggle and avoid talking of the shytty social conditions they are kept in or why Africans were poor ("Look at their skulls!"). So yeah, I'm extremely skeptical of this gene lottery thing.

 

[Chris.B]

I think it has more to do with environment than genetics it's very rare to find a son of a man teacher who doesn't know math.

You are a product of your environment.

 

[NZA]

I'm all ears teacher.

All I'm saying is environment, culture, upbringing and all that have a much bigger impact than genes. The whole deterministic "scientific" explanations of why A does well while B doesn't has been used way too often in history as a ways to just exclude entire segments of a given population because "they're just not like us", all the while totally overlooking social factors. Basically, it's an argument used by some to "explain" why sons of immigrants struggle and avoid talking of the shytty social conditions they are kept in or why Africans were poor ("Look at their skulls!"). So yeah, I'm extremely skeptical of this gene lottery thing.

there is a difference between acknowledging that the same dna that built your hair's color, texture, and balldness patterns is the same dna that built the brain underneath it, and saying that immigrants are dumb.

just think logically for a second, you are willing to dismiss common sense (thoughts come from brains, brains are built from genes, genes carry attributes) because you dont like how people misuse the knowledge of DNA, not becuase DNA does not carry information for brains or because brains are in fact not where thoughts come from, etc.

i dont like eugenics, it is pseudoscience, but i know how to separate that from real science.

social factors impact a lot, and i have said as much, but i also believe our basic capacities and proclivities are mostly genetic.

and for the record, i dont really go by IQ. i think it is hard to judge intellect and as i said earlier, i think society will punish certain people's real motivations and force practically everyone down a cookie cutter path anyway.

 

[mbewane]

there is a difference between acknowledging that the same dna that built your hair's color, texture, and balldness patterns is the same dna that built the brain underneath it, and saying that immigrants are dumb.

just think logically for a second, you are willing to dismiss common sense (thoughts come from brains, brains are built from genes, genes carry attributes) because you dont like how people misuse the knowledge of DNA, not becuase DNA does not carry information for brains or because brains are in fact not where thoughts come from, etc.

i dont like eugenics, it is pseudoscience, but i know how to separate that from real science.

My first post was wrong: I shouldn't say that genetics hardly have an impact, because even only at the physical development stage your attitude will be defined by what nature gave you (for example: being born blind will obviously have an impact on how you interact with the world, etc.)

BUT i'll stick to what I'm saying: environment, education and upbringing are far more important than genes. Because otherwise, there's really no use at even trying to help kids past a certain age: just do a DNA test and see if "he has what it takes" or not. I do not believe that my genes are what make me like literature as opposed to cars for example, but I do believe that comes from the fact that I grew up surrounded by books. My brother, for example, didn't, and isn't really a books guy. That (as well as tons of other stuff) has had a direct impact on my attitude and personality.

Basically, I guess that what I'm saying is that shyt is WAY too complex to narrow down to genes. And that road is way too deterministic and slippery for me.

 

[NZA]

My first post was wrong: I shouldn't say that genetics hardly have an impact, because even only at the physical development stage your attitude will be defined by what nature gave you (for example: being born blind will obviously have an impact on how you interact with the world, etc.)

BUT i'll stick to what I'm saying: environment, education and upbringing are far more important than genes. Because otherwise, there's really no use at even trying to help kids past a certain age: just do a DNA test and see if "he has what it takes" or not. I do not believe that my genes are what make me like literature as opposed to cars for example, but I do believe that comes from the fact that I grew up surrounded by books. My brother, for example, didn't, and isn't really a books guy. That (as well as tons of other stuff) has had a direct impact on my attitude and personality.

Basically, I guess that what I'm saying is that shyt is WAY too complex to narrow down to genes. And that road is way too deterministic and slippery for me.

i agree about the complexity. i would not be comfortable labeling any specific thing a factor of genetics when it comes to motivation. i dont think we know enough to be that specific.