Who was the most ambitious U.S. President of all time?
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@Worthless Loser who would you say is the most ambitious president of all time?
Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
Lincoln is underrated because he was willing to go to war with an extremely rich and powerful south.
Yall need to understand, they didn't just say "but the blacks!" To motivate white people to take up arms in the south. The civil war wasn't just about keeping slavery legal, it was about the EXPANSION of slavery. This means the south was willing to unilaterally expand into Mexican land and declare war on Mexico to grab more territory.
White people who had been in America and were hoping to advance from working class to upper class knew that if slavery expanded, they could grow their businesses and maybe even earn enough to buy land and some slaves for themselves. Hating black people was a motivator, but an even bigger motivator was the possibility of going from being a descendant of English peasants going back 2 generations to becoming a member of a new aristocracy.
Lincoln didn't particularly care about black people, but he did not want America involved in another war, he needed to stop the south from acting on its own and getting hundreds of thousands of people killed.
So you got the civil war. Lincoln had two goals:
1. Prevent a war half the country didn't want.
2. Find a way to either deport the freed people to Africa or to create a framework folding black people into American society.
He was killed, but had he survived America would have been a VERY different country. The southern strategy literally would not exist and the south itself would have become a much better place to live.
Yall need to understand, they didn't just say "but the blacks!" To motivate white people to take up arms in the south. The civil war wasn't just about keeping slavery legal, it was about the EXPANSION of slavery. This means the south was willing to unilaterally expand into Mexican land and declare war on Mexico to grab more territory.
White people who had been in America and were hoping to advance from working class to upper class knew that if slavery expanded, they could grow their businesses and maybe even earn enough to buy land and some slaves for themselves. Hating black people was a motivator, but an even bigger motivator was the possibility of going from being a descendant of English peasants going back 2 generations to becoming a member of a new aristocracy.
Lincoln didn't particularly care about black people, but he did not want America involved in another war, he needed to stop the south from acting on its own and getting hundreds of thousands of people killed.
So you got the civil war. Lincoln had two goals:
1. Prevent a war half the country didn't want.
2. Find a way to either deport the freed people to Africa or to create a framework folding black people into American society.
He was killed, but had he survived America would have been a VERY different country. The southern strategy literally would not exist and the south itself would have become a much better place to live.
Off top, I would have to say the obvious choices in order, Lincoln, FDR and Teddy.
cartierhoe
Veteran
Ulysses S Grant was a very underrated President
Put boot to ass on Confederates
Help pass the 15th amendment
Created the Department of Justice
Persecuted Klansmen
Advocate of Reconstruction
Put some respect on his name
Kinguno
The Immortal
FDR by going for the third and fourth terms especially the later he was aware he was dying. He swapped his VPs multiple times. He was packing the Supreme Court to get the New Deal passed
LBJ wanted to be President the most out of all presidents I believe because there’s an element especially looking back where someone obviously had popular momentum behind them from Jefferson, Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Regan, Clinton, and Trump where they had a gravitas even post presidency.
There’s presidents who were relative nobodies before becoming president they deserve credit.
All presidents have had some ego with there never being a president who did too little this makes you think of which President did the most and it’s gotta be FDR who did it all basically disabled and hiding it which adds another layer. This man was away with his mistress getting a portrait painted when he died
LBJ wanted to be President the most out of all presidents I believe because there’s an element especially looking back where someone obviously had popular momentum behind them from Jefferson, Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Regan, Clinton, and Trump where they had a gravitas even post presidency.
There’s presidents who were relative nobodies before becoming president they deserve credit.
All presidents have had some ego with there never being a president who did too little this makes you think of which President did the most and it’s gotta be FDR who did it all basically disabled and hiding it which adds another layer. This man was away with his mistress getting a portrait painted when he died
How the Hell is Ulysses S. Grant not listed? 
That dude literally enforced Reconstruction; oversaw the implementation of the 14th and 15th amendments; created the Department of Justice to enforce the rights of African Americans; destroyed the Ku Klux Klan and created and pushed the civil rights acts of 1875 that literally became the civil rights acts of 1964 and 1965.
That dude literally enforced Reconstruction; oversaw the implementation of the 14th and 15th amendments; created the Department of Justice to enforce the rights of African Americans; destroyed the Ku Klux Klan and created and pushed the civil rights acts of 1875 that literally became the civil rights acts of 1964 and 1965.
These folk don't know their history.How the Hell is Ulysses S. Grant not listed?
That dude literally enforced Reconstruction; oversaw the implementation of the 14th and 15th amendments; created the Department of Justice to enforce the rights of African Americans; destroyed the Ku Klux Klan and created and pushed the civil rights acts of 1875 that literally became the civil rights acts of 1964 and 1965.
Dude was literally THEE most pro Black president in United States history
There has never been a more pro-Black President than Grant. Reconstruction alone is arguably the most incredibley ambitious undertaking that any US President, outside of Washington has ever even attempted. Grant was so successful at Reconstruction that the backlash was Jim Crow.
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