Who Needs a Pace(r) Maker, When You Have Two Harts?: Official Pacers (#6) vs. Knicks (#2) East Semifinals Thread

[The War Report]

Halliburton is a front running ass bytch.

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

Even if the Knicks win the series I want them to come out as beat up and feeble as possible. Them going to the finals would be a complete abomination.

Brunson plays the worst brand of basketball on earth.

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

I’m going to scream. If everyone comes back, here is our rotation next season:

Brunson/DDV/OG/Randle/Hartenstein

Then off the bench you’ll have Hart, McBride, Bogi and Mitch. NINE GUYS before you even get Precious and Burks.

"If everyone comes back" lol

Half those guys will be UFA. Not that simple to pencil them into next year's line up. Not to mention if you do that, you lose all roster flexibility even if Randle comes off books next year

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

How much do you think he is going to make? He’s great but injury prone.

Keep in mind they got to pay at least Brunson and are probably hoping Randle will work with them on a deal too. So anything they give him, they got to give a lot more to one or both of those guys. I think he is in the 30-35 mil range and they have the money cover that, because of all the other below cost deals on the roster. 35 would be the upper level for him because that would make him the highest paid player on the team next year, and if the offseason goes well he would be the 4th best player there.

Whatever he signs for will take your roster flexibility away. Your core is essentially Brunson/OG/Hart for next three years

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Whatever he signs for will take your roster flexibility away. Your core is essentially Brunson/OG/Hart for next three years

Nah, they have one more move. They can bundle picks(and Randle, if they wanna move him) for another part.

You're right though, they're gonna have to give OG 140M at least, then give Hartenstein like 60-70M. Is this a title winning squad?

 

[RickyGQ]

"If everyone comes back" lol

Half those guys will be UFA. Not that simple to pencil them into next year's line up. Not to mention if you do that, you lose all roster flexibility even if Randle comes off books next year

We have bird rights on everyone and a team full of team-friendly/tradable deals. What more flexibility will we need? We should be keeping roster space for a free agent in 2025?

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Nah, they have one more move. They can bundle picks(and Randle, if they wanna move him) for another part.

You're right though, they're gonna have to give OG 140M at least, then give Hartenstein like 60-70M. Is this a title winning squad?

Who's taking a 30 year old Randale on an essential one year deal and injury prone?

If you send him out, you have to match salaries anyway.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Who's taking a 30 year old Randale on an essential one year deal and injury prone?

If you send him out, you have to match salaries anyway.

Randle's played over 70 games the last three years and his injury wasn't an overuse one, more a freak injury. I don't think the 'injury prone' card applies there.

OG Anunoby, sure. He's always a wrong turn away from being gone for two weeks.

I know Randle ends up on the Knicks fanbase shyt list a lot but he is a 20/10/5 guy, they don't grow on trees. He'll have a market if they wanna move him - his number next year is 30M AAV, that's not an unreasonable number

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

We have bird rights on everyone and a team full of team-friendly/tradable deals. What more flexibility will we need? We should be keeping roster space for a free agent in 2025?

Who you trading bruh that's going to change the dynamics of what we're talking about?? If you feel OG is your core, you have to sign him. Those other "team friendly" players you have are too important to your current structure (Divencenzo) and someone like Robinson won't get you much cap flexibility that you would ultimately use to re-sign Hartenstein anyway.

If let OG walk, your core must include Randall because you ain't getting shyt for OG if he signs elsewhere.

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

Randle's played over 70 games the last three years and his injury wasn't an overuse one, more a freak injury. I don't think the 'injury prone' card applies there.

OG Anunoby, sure. He's always a wrong turn away from being gone for two weeks.

I know Randle ends up on the Knicks fanbase shyt list a lot but he is a 20/10/5 guy, they don't grow on trees. He'll have a market if they wanna move him - his number next year is 30M AAV, that's not an unreasonable number

If they move him, they're doing it for ancillary pieces because you ain't getting a star or young core piece for him. He has a player option after next season. No team is giving up a core guy for him.

The thought of trading Randle is better than the reality of it.

Divencenzo has trade value, but you have no one to replace what he does, especially with the low contract he has.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

Who you trading bruh that's going to change the dynamics of what we're talking about?? If you feel OG is your core, you have to sign him. Those other "team friendly" players you have are too important to your current structure (Divencenzo) and someone like Robinson won't you don't get much cap flexibility that you would ultimately use on Hartenstein anyway.

If let OG walk, your core must include Randall because you ain't getting shyt for OG if he signs elsewhere.

They're not letting OG walk. You don't trade Barrett and Quickley for a rental

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

They're not letting OG walk. You don't trade Barrett and Quickley for a rental

So he's part of your core??

 

[RubioTheCruel]

So he's part of your core??

I don't see how he's not. SSS and all, but 26-5 in the games he's played, he's clearly taken the team to another level when he's out there. I think the Knicks were 11-1 when OG/Brunson/Randle all played together as well.

The injury part is a big concern. If he was an ironman the Raptors probably never trade him. Knicks probably had an understanding of what contract he was looking for before the trade and were OK with the cost. I think it's gonna be somewhere like 4yr/145-150M

 

[RickyGQ]

Who you trading bruh that's going to change the dynamics of what we're talking about?? If you feel OG is your core, you have to sign him. Those other "team friendly" players you have are too important to your current structure (Divencenzo) and someone like Robinson won't get you much cap flexibility that you would ultimately use to re-sign Hartenstein anyway.

If let OG walk, your core must include Randall because you ain't getting shyt for OG if he signs elsewhere.

The team is in a position where they can swing for 3 types of disgruntled players: use Bojan's expiring and picks to get a starter-level player in the 20-25 million range (very possible), use Randle and picks to get a high-level starter in the 28-32 million range (very unlikely they'll be an upgrade from him) or use Randle, Bojan and picks to get a max player (possible). OR they can just run it back and see how good this exact team is when healthy. We are in a great spot with a lot of possibilities to build on this exact roster we're seeing against the Pacers, even if that upgrade is just bringing back everyone healthy.

Grabbing the 2 seed while missing an All-Star/all-NBA level running mate is nothing to sneeze at. Making a competitive second-round play-off series down 4 rotation players is also nothing to sneeze at either. There aren't too many roster situations I'd rather have this summer than our own. shyt, aside from OKC (and depending how Minny, Denver and Boston finish the season), every other team in the league has WAY bigger question marks than we do from where I'm sitting.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

The team is in a position where they can swing for 3 types of disgruntled players: use Bojan's expiring and picks to get a starter-level player in the 20-25 million range (very possible), use Randle and picks to get a high-level starter in the 28-32 million range (very unlikely they'll be an upgrade from him) or use Randle, Bojan and picks to get a max player (possible). OR they can just run it back and see how good this exact team is when healthy. We are in a great spot with a lot of possibilities to build on this exact roster we're seeing against the Pacers, even if that upgrade is just bringing back everyone healthy.

Grabbing the 2 seed while missing an All-Star/all-NBA level running mate is nothing to sneeze at. Making a competitive second-round play-off series down 4 rotation players is also nothing to sneeze at either. There aren't too many roster situations I'd rather have this summer than our own. shyt, aside from OKC (and depending how Minny, Denver and Boston finish the season), every other team in the league has WAY bigger question marks than we do from where I'm sitting.

I doubt they'd do business but it makes a lot of sense to figure out a Randle/Bridges swap and make the Nova Knicks complete