Who Are Your 5 Best Two Way Players of All Time (NBA)

[Hey_zeus]

People sleep on Wilt because other than rebounds, they didn't keep defensive stats back then. He for sure should be on the list

Basically MVP/DPOY candidate from 59'-68' if both awards existed.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think most people can see that @Rhakim post is ridiculous hate. I’ve been arguing with idiots about Kobe since the late 90s I’m legit tired of it at this point. If someone watches a 20 year career like that and can’t give props even in death then fukk em I ain’t wasting my breath. That’s why I let y’all handle it for the most part. I just don’t want anymore of the stan war shyt especially in the game thread and outside of this clown that’s how most Bron supporters feel now too.

But I hope Bron stans can see why some Kobe stans still say slick shyt today. Everyone need to grow the fukk up cuz both of them were cool with each other while we dance like puppets playing along with the espn driven stan wars. What’s so hard for some Bron stans to admit that Kobe was a great player? What’s so hard about Kobe stans admitting that LeBron has helped return us to prominence and we might still be assed out had he not had the heart to actually take the challenge? Unlike the would-be saviors that we were more quick to celebrate?

Real shyt, little funny jokes back and forth is one thing but still to the very day two decades later and after a man been dropped in the dirt to rest we STILL doin this shyt? Man y’all got it. And trust, I feel you for warring with dude and I encourage you and @10bandz to check his fake shyt because that was me but I’m tired now. If dude ain’t with the program then he’s a fukkin weirdo.

And I ain’t mad at it, it should be called out. At this point it’s just weirdo shyt. Dude a whole blazer fan (a team I’ve always hated) and be all up in the Laker thread because of Bron and you gon say ridiculous shyt like Tony Allen a better 2-way player knowing it’ll get a response?

Lmao man whatever, homes on some wild shyt. Most of us made peace and moved on but yeah, if nikkaz pop off shoot em....

God damn you can't be that mentally ill. I fukking refuse to accept it.

Kobe's name didn't go through my mind once when I typed "Tony Allen". Not once. I had written out a bunch of guys who I thought borderline could be on the list too, and when I did that I realized the list was too long, and thought, "Wouldn't it be funny if I buried Tony Allen in the list just to see if anyone noticed." I was thinking about TONY ALLEN because it's a funny name to write, I didn't put Raja Bell or any guys who beefed with Kobe cause Kobe wasn't on my mind at all and because Raja Bell isn't comical to me, he's just someone whose name shouldn't be on there, but Tony Allen is comical cause he's such a good defender and so limited on offense that he's pretty much the perfect opposite of what the question was asking.

I don't know WHY you would want to keep beefing. You KNOW I'm past that. You KNOW I was sick when Kobe died and you KNOW I was the first one to drive home the point that we should dead all this shyt. So fukk off, I wasn't thinking about Kobe at all when I typed that and you know I ain't never lied about that sorta shyt.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Gotta go by position cause I have no clue how you can compare centers and point guards here.

PG: CP3
SG: Jordan
SF: LeBron
PF: Duncan
Center: Hakeem


Kawhi, Payton, KG, Kareem, Admiral, and Tony Allen all get honorable mention....honestly toss-up with CP3 and Payton, Payton is a significantly better defender while CP3 was far better on offense, same issue with Kawhi and LeBron (especially since both have very short peaks on one side of the ball).

Y'all can't catch a for shyt. Did you just give me a serious explanation as to why Tony Allen shouldn't be considered a two-way player?

He was playing hurt in 2015 though, don't come at me with that bullshyt, healthy TonGOAT would have played 40 minutes/game.

Somehow those two comments drove LWO to a Cheronobyl-level meltdown.

Plenty of people didn't mention LeBron even though he's a two-time DPOY runner-up and some of his greatest plays were defensive plays on top of being one of the greatest offensive players ever. But the mere fact that I failed to put Kobe on my list while making a completely unrelated Tony Allen joke that has NOTHING to do with Kobe and the fukking thread gets derailed with people throwing fits?

This is what happens when a fan base lets legit mentally ill people drive their narrative. @2Quik4UHoes, you are NOT unstable like that. You are NOT a fool like that. So why they got you acting a fool? How da fukk does Tony Allen have any connection to Kobe, no one EVER compares them or thinks about them in the same sentence. It's a fukking Tony Allen joke from back when Bill Simmons used to call him "Trick or Treat Tony" cause he'd make a great play on one end and then fukk it up on the other end, it has NOTHING to do with Kobe.

 

[Blurneed]

God damn you can't be that mentally ill. I fukking refuse to accept it.

Kobe's name didn't go through my mind once when I typed "Tony Allen". Not once. I had written out a bunch of guys who I thought borderline could be on the list too, and when I did that I realized the list was too long, and thought, "Wouldn't it be funny if I buried Tony Allen in the list just to see if anyone noticed." I was thinking about TONY ALLEN because it's a funny name to write, I didn't put Raja Bell or any guys who beefed with Kobe cause Kobe wasn't on my mind at all and because Raja Bell isn't comical to me, he's just someone whose name shouldn't be on there, but Tony Allen is comical cause he's such a good defender and so limited on offense that he's pretty much the perfect opposite of what the question was asking.

I don't know WHY you would want to keep beefing. You KNOW I'm past that. You KNOW I was sick when Kobe died and you KNOW I was the first one to drive home the point that we should dead all this shyt. So fukk off, I wasn't thinking about Kobe at all when I typed that and you know I ain't never lied about that sorta shyt.

This nikka is lying

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This nikka is lying

I have never in my 5 years on this forum EVER heard that Tony Allen is used as some secret joke to shyt on Kobe.

 

[Blurneed]

I have never in my 5 years on this forum EVER heard that Tony Allen is used as some secret joke to shyt on Kobe.

A neg wont stop me from calling you out bruh. You typed a titan graph of bullshyt nikka cut it out lol.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

A neg wont stop me from calling you out bruh. You typed a titan graph of bullshyt nikka cut it out lol.

This just proves my point that y'all love talking about me more than you love talking about basketball.

Plenty of people leave out LeBron, a two-time DPOY runner-up, and no one says shyt. I make a Tony Allen joke that has NOTHING to do with Kobe and the entire thread derails out of some five-dimensional conspiracy theory that Tony Allen jokes are somehow about Kobe, even though no one has even explained yet HOW Kobe has anything to do with putting Tony Allen there.

 

[How Sway?]

1. Jason kidd
2. Mj
3. Kg pippen
4. Tim Duncan
5. Hakeem

Kobe, KG gary payton, Anthony davis, kawhai and shaq for my Honorable mentions.

 

[Hey_zeus]

Top 5 ever 2 way players

MJ
Wilt
Logo
Hakeem
Kawhi

 

[Ohene]

By position... who I grew up watching. Really started processing the sport during the Kobe and shaq era

Paul
Bryant
Kawhi
Garnett
Shaq

 

[Miggs]

Lebron ain't a 2 way player, and when he was, it was brief. Didn't have a 2 way player mentality.

Duncan was more of a defensive anchor than offensive anchor. He could score 15 & his team still won.

Pippen is an interesting case bc he like Mike, sacrificed scoring, playing in the triangle. He was scoring 20+, getting 7 dimes, while playing in a structured system.

When he was a legit #1 he scored like a #1 and was the All star game MVP that year...Pip definitely sacrificed scoring playing with Jordan...

I was watching game 6 of the 1997 NBA Finals last night and his defense won the game in the last 5 mins...and its actually understated how great and important his defense was to those Bulls teams...he damn near won that game in the last 5 mins with his defense...

 

[PHamm]

Kidd
Jordan
Pippen
Duncan
Olajuwon

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Kobe
Hakeem
MJ
Kawhi
Pip...

 

[Hersh]

i wish bron tried for dpoy in his prime.. woulda been a site to see

 

[fscballin]

Gotta go by position cause I have no clue how you can compare centers and point guards here.

PG: CP3
SG: Jordan
SF: LeBron
PF: Duncan
Center: Hakeem


Kawhi, Payton, KG, Kareem, Admiral, and Tony Allen all get honorable mention....honestly toss-up with CP3 and Payton, Payton is a significantly better defender while CP3 was far better on offense, same issue with Kawhi and LeBron (especially since both have very short peaks on one side of the ball).

Payton was a better scorer than CP3.

CP3 was a much better 3 pt shooter than the glove and a better distributer,


Payton’s defense was legendary tho.