Where does Bianca Belair rank on the GOAT women scale?
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Cattle Mutilation
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When you look at the totality of their career, Bianca's total resume does not stack up to the three below. Will she surpass them once she gets a few more years in since the three below all have several more years on her? Maybe, perhaps even likely given her current peak is as good is amongst the best the women's division has seen in WWE. But length of greatness is relevant to GOAT discussion, and she is lacking in the longevity department because she got started later.
Just give it some time. It's not an anti-Bianca thing. She just needs more years under her belt to get in that GOAT discussion. And I see zero reason why, in a few more years, as long as she stays healthy and keeps dominating, why she shouldn't be in that discussion because her peak right now is as good as it has been in the WWE. The time for it just isn't now.
If we want to talk about GOAT title reign, then I could be a believer of that. At least in WWE. I don't think you can even really compare Japan to WWE.
Becky Lynch
Charlotte Flair
Bayley
Just give it some time. It's not an anti-Bianca thing. She just needs more years under her belt to get in that GOAT discussion. And I see zero reason why, in a few more years, as long as she stays healthy and keeps dominating, why she shouldn't be in that discussion because her peak right now is as good as it has been in the WWE. The time for it just isn't now.
If we want to talk about GOAT title reign, then I could be a believer of that. At least in WWE. I don't think you can even really compare Japan to WWE.
Becky Lynch
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NXT Women's Championship (2 times)[292]
WWE Divas Championship (1 time, Final)[293]
WWE Women's Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Asuka[294]
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WWE SmackDown Women's Championship (2 times)
WWE Women's Tag Team Championship (2 times, inaugural) – with Sasha Banks[201]
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First WWE Women's Triple Crown Champion
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NXT Year-End Award (2 times)
Female Competitor of the Year (2015)[203]
Match of the Year (2015) vs. Sasha Banks at NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn[203]
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Tag Team of the Half-Year (2020) – with Sasha Banks[205]
Tag Team of the Year (2020) – with Sasha Banks[189]
Pro Wrestling Illustrated
Feud of the Year (2020) vs. Sasha Banks[190]
Inspirational Wrestler of the Year (2015, 2016)[191]
Match of the Year (2015) vs. Sasha Banks at NXT TakeOver: Respect[191]
Tag Team of the Year (2020) – with Sasha Banks[190]
Ranked No. 1 of the top 100 female singles wrestlers in the PWI Women's 100 in 2020[192]
Ranked No. 3 of the top 50 tag teams in the PWI Tag Team 50 in 2020 – with Sasha Banks[193]
Sports Illustrated
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Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Most Improved (2015)[197]
Worst Feud of the Year (2018) vs. Sasha Banks
Women's Wrestling MVP (2020)[198]
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NXT Women's Championship (1 time)[199]
WWE Raw Women's Championship (1 time)[200]
WWE SmackDown Women's Championship (2 times)
WWE Women's Tag Team Championship (2 times, inaugural) – with Sasha Banks[201]
Money in the Bank (Women's 2019)[202]
First WWE Women's Triple Crown Champion
First WWE Women's Grand Slam Champion
NXT Year-End Award (2 times)
Female Competitor of the Year (2015)[203]
Match of the Year (2015) vs. Sasha Banks at NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn[203]
Ranked No. 10 of the top 50 Greatest WWE Female Superstars of all time (2021)[204]
Tag Team of the Half-Year (2020) – with Sasha Banks[205]
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First off, quote me directly next time. This convo is a lot more fun when you don't just try to sneak in a response.
Back to the women you mentioned, none of them have an ESPN or ESPY award. Also, Sports Illustrated ranked Bianca #3 amongst all wrestlers, meaning she beat out men as well, in two consecutive years. Becky, Charlotte, and Bayley were only ranked in the women's category. On top of that, Bianca won two "real sports" awards in the same year that she won Female wrestler of the year. None of the other women you named have earned that distinction. Furthermore, all three of the women that you listed won Meltzer's "Worst Feud Of The Year", which is the wrestling equivalent of a Razzie Award; that is NOT an achievement that should be celebrated.
Beyond all of that, Bianca is one of WWE's top merch sellers, she's in more advertising campaigns than the other three women that you listed, and she's the only woman out of the four who has main evented multiple PPVs. Bianca has earned more accomplishments in fewer in-ring years than the other women than you mentioned, so how can you still (falsely) claim that she isn't the bar?
All time, idk, probably top ten.
Probably top 5 worldwide atm, but I can’t say I’ve kept up as well lately
Probably top 5 worldwide atm, but I can’t say I’ve kept up as well lately
KFBF
Superstar
What classic angles has she been in? Has she had a heel run?
Too early to tell. Can be the 
Cattle Mutilation
Superstar
Her peak right now is very high, I just need that peak to continue on for a few more years.
if someone’s career is like a 10 in a scale of 10 for a short period, I don’t value that as high as someone whose at a 9-10 for a long period.
It’s like whose career do you take as better: the Rock, who had a higher peak than anyone other than maybe Hogan, or Cena, whose peak may not have been as high as Rock’s but which lasted much longer.
I need pics and then I’ll decide
SpacelySprockets
Veteran
number 1 dont listen to these cacc00ns 
- she’s a legit powerhouse and knows how to work the powerhouse style well in the ring ring
- she understands everything about wrestling from the presentation to the promos to the gimmick to the ring work, she’s a great face but could turn heel tomorrow and it’d be money
- she got classic matches and a legit WM main event under her belt
- she can carry matches and doesn’t have to be carried every time ala the feud with Doudrop
- she one of the only black women in the industry who married a black dude unlike Mandy Rose who won’t even take a picture with a brotha let alone marry one
- she a great role model for little girls of all races but especially little black girls
- she’s multitalented and designs her own ring gear and even the Street Profits joints
Boondox Black
Pro
I just noticed Bianca & Jazz the only black women wrestlers to be with/marry black dudes dating back 25 years lol.
Jade Cargill, Ref Aja, & Mia Yim (half Black) have Black husbands, and Samantha Irvin is engaged to Ricochet.
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InstantKlassik
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Y’all grade her on a curve because y’all like her and she’s black. Let’s be fukking real.
She been on the main roster for like 2 years. Cut this shyt out.
She been on the main roster for like 2 years. Cut this shyt out.