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Fukk your corny debates
Off the top...
Ric Flair
Steve Austin
Ricky Steamboat
Sting
The Rock
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Chris Jericho
Kurt Angle
Undertaker
Randy Savage
Chris Benoit
Eddie Guerrero
Owen Hart
Brock Lesnar
Nah.
Where do you rank Triple H all time?
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Ric Flair
Steve Austin
Ricky Steamboat
Sting
The Rock
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Chris Jericho
Kurt Angle
Undertaker
Randy Savage
Chris Benoit
Eddie Guerrero
Owen Hart
Brock Lesnar
Nah.
Conscious Pilot
Do Better.
Somewhere between 15-22
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Bob Backlund > Triple H
Well if u had any knowledge about wrestling u would know his peers always said he was serious..could work.. n loved wrestling since he got started...
One of the last attitude era guys
Rock left
Austin retired
Kang of kangs!
One of the last attitude era guys
Rock left
Austin retired
Kang of kangs!
Xpac is the best worker in DX
Brad Piff
The Money & The Miles
Only online do I see hate for hunter. Everyone irl has always given him his props.Well if u had any knowledge about wrestling u would know his peers always said he was serious..could work.. n loved wrestling since he got started...
One of the last attitude era guys
Rock left
Austin retired
Kang of kangs!
Playaz Eyez
Veteran
Only online do I see hate for hunter. Everyone irl has always given him his props.
There's a difference between "giving props" and actually ranking him against other people. He doesn't measure up to a lot of the legit top guys, and doesn't measure up to quite a few of the wrestlers he went over between 2002-2007. The only people in real life than stan HHH and rank him over actual #1s are people under 25 years old. Their formative years were basically Triple h Mania, so that's all they know.
Here Comes the Pain
Superstar
Hhh was the type to latch on to whoever was hot to keep himself relevant.
He slurped off shawn Michaels until he retired.
He was leader of dx but was one of the least popular in the group.
Hhh slept with the boss daughter so now all of the sudden its the McMahon- hemsley era which was just an extension of the fued vince had against the rock or Austin.
Both austin & the rock leave so now he turns raw into the hhh show where talks about how great he is for 20 mins before the real program actually begins.
During that time he single handedly kills the momentum of every wrestler from the main event scene who people came to see.
Fast forward a few years later & we get a cheap dx reunion where he attempts to be cool & edgy one more time.
He tries to be vince McMahon with the authority COO that nobody asked for.
He kills off one of the hottest angles & turns it into another hhh show.
Doesn't work mania now unless it's in front of 70,000 people & he gets a 10 min king of kings cerebral assasin ass kicker theatrical entrance.
He has it now where everybody who wins the nxt title have to come backstage after the match & slurp him off on camera & tell him how much he inspires them & worship the ground he walks on.
Hhh got 20+ years in the business & if you cut off the fat he got MAYBE 5 good years to him.
He slurped off shawn Michaels until he retired.
He was leader of dx but was one of the least popular in the group.
Hhh slept with the boss daughter so now all of the sudden its the McMahon- hemsley era which was just an extension of the fued vince had against the rock or Austin.
Both austin & the rock leave so now he turns raw into the hhh show where talks about how great he is for 20 mins before the real program actually begins.
During that time he single handedly kills the momentum of every wrestler from the main event scene who people came to see.
Fast forward a few years later & we get a cheap dx reunion where he attempts to be cool & edgy one more time.
He tries to be vince McMahon with the authority COO that nobody asked for.
He kills off one of the hottest angles & turns it into another hhh show.
Doesn't work mania now unless it's in front of 70,000 people & he gets a 10 min king of kings cerebral assasin ass kicker theatrical entrance.
He has it now where everybody who wins the nxt title have to come backstage after the match & slurp him off on camera & tell him how much he inspires them & worship the ground he walks on.
Hhh got 20+ years in the business & if you cut off the fat he got MAYBE 5 good years to him.
Cartier Murphy
Apathy’s a Tragedy & Boredom is a Crime
X-Pac was the litmus test if you were coming in the E back in the day. If you couldn’t have a good match with him, you couldn’t have a good match with anybodyXpac is the best worker in DX
Peter Parker
Superstar
fukking steamboat and Owen over Triple H are you crazy? I love Owen and he’s probably in my top 15 personal favorites but over Triple H is insane
Peter Parker
Superstar
I can respect this list aside from Steamboat, Andre and Cena being above hunterno order
Rock
SCSA
Flair
Hogan
Savage
Bret Hart
HBK
Sting
Andre
Cena
Undertaker
Bruno
Rey
Eddie
Piper
Steamboat
Angle
Foley
Jericho
that’s not mentioning international stars. That’s no hate either
TrueEpic08
Dum Shiny
If we're talking about all-time rankings, a theoretically expansive all-time list that encompasses what we can currently watch of wrestling going back to the 1920s/10s/whatever, even Top 50 might be pushing it. I'll give him Top 100, but beyond that is going to require some seriously close examination. This in no way means that he was a bad wrestler (he had his moments of unwatchability, but he also had legitimate moments of greatness), just that when you stack him up against legitimately, unimpeachably great wrestlers in all-time ranking arguments, he seriously pales in comparison.
Let me put it to you like this: I recently watched two Triple H matches that reminded me of a Bret Hart quote from a while back (I promise I'm putting my hatred of Hunter aside here). One of them was his Summerslam 1997 steel cage match against Mankind (right around the time he got Chyna as a bodyguard, right after he won that year's King of the Ring, still doing the New England elite gimmick, shortly before they hook up with Shawn Michaels and Rick Rude to form DX) and the other was his first RAW match against Shelton Benjamin (side note: if you ever needed an argument both for and against Shelton's star potential, this is the match for you). The Bret Hart quote was:
(Had to give the whole quote in case you all decided to not watch the video: )
You can say that Bret's lionizing a certain type of wrestling or an ideal of what wrestling should be, but there's an essential truth to what he says here. Hunter is often a guy who's just good enough to be a part of great matches, and is also a deeply uncreative, derivative wrestler.
Quick, think of your favorite Triple H match. Now, think of the best parts of those matches. In any of those examples, is Triple H actually the driver of the spot? Is what he does your most prominent memory of the moment or the match? Often times, the answer is no. Most everything good that Mankind match involves Hunter as a secondary player. Mankind is the guy the crowd's invested in, the guy taking the risk, the guy all of the heat is on. The crowd could barely give a fukk about H, and he's about to be placed into a main event stable in three weeks or so. Whenever he is in any way the most memorable part of the match, or the person putting the match together, it's because of the second point.
Triple H is a fukking ripoff artist as a wrestler. This isn't a bad thing; some of your favorite wrestlers are shameless ripoff artists (see: Ric Flair, who jacked the entire structure of the Nature Boy gimmick from Buddy Rogers). But that Shelton Benjamin match is damn near a carbon copy of Flair's matches with Sting. The entire concept of Evolution, down to the very month to month booking of the stable, was ripped from the Four Horsemen. Hell, his NWA fetishism in general. But he's an incredibly uncreative wrestler, and this is often why his long matches can be so dull at times. He also gets a significant amount of mileage out of that well, and many of his best ideas as a wrestler and administrator come from that well, but it's been well-worn. Sometimes, we need something new, not an homage.
Bret has the absolute correct take on Hunter as a wrestler: A good worker who had an excellent career, but also wasn't really as great as he or everyone else wants us to believe because he was lacking in the attributes that makes someone a true all-time great.
Let me put it like this: John Cena is better and and someone who is probably a lock for a Top 50 all-time spot, and it really isn't even an argument to me.
Let me put it to you like this: I recently watched two Triple H matches that reminded me of a Bret Hart quote from a while back (I promise I'm putting my hatred of Hunter aside here). One of them was his Summerslam 1997 steel cage match against Mankind (right around the time he got Chyna as a bodyguard, right after he won that year's King of the Ring, still doing the New England elite gimmick, shortly before they hook up with Shawn Michaels and Rick Rude to form DX) and the other was his first RAW match against Shelton Benjamin (side note: if you ever needed an argument both for and against Shelton's star potential, this is the match for you). The Bret Hart quote was:
(Had to give the whole quote in case you all decided to not watch the video: )
You can say that Bret's lionizing a certain type of wrestling or an ideal of what wrestling should be, but there's an essential truth to what he says here. Hunter is often a guy who's just good enough to be a part of great matches, and is also a deeply uncreative, derivative wrestler.
Quick, think of your favorite Triple H match. Now, think of the best parts of those matches. In any of those examples, is Triple H actually the driver of the spot? Is what he does your most prominent memory of the moment or the match? Often times, the answer is no. Most everything good that Mankind match involves Hunter as a secondary player. Mankind is the guy the crowd's invested in, the guy taking the risk, the guy all of the heat is on. The crowd could barely give a fukk about H, and he's about to be placed into a main event stable in three weeks or so. Whenever he is in any way the most memorable part of the match, or the person putting the match together, it's because of the second point.
Triple H is a fukking ripoff artist as a wrestler. This isn't a bad thing; some of your favorite wrestlers are shameless ripoff artists (see: Ric Flair, who jacked the entire structure of the Nature Boy gimmick from Buddy Rogers). But that Shelton Benjamin match is damn near a carbon copy of Flair's matches with Sting. The entire concept of Evolution, down to the very month to month booking of the stable, was ripped from the Four Horsemen. Hell, his NWA fetishism in general. But he's an incredibly uncreative wrestler, and this is often why his long matches can be so dull at times. He also gets a significant amount of mileage out of that well, and many of his best ideas as a wrestler and administrator come from that well, but it's been well-worn. Sometimes, we need something new, not an homage.
Bret has the absolute correct take on Hunter as a wrestler: A good worker who had an excellent career, but also wasn't really as great as he or everyone else wants us to believe because he was lacking in the attributes that makes someone a true all-time great.
Let me put it like this: John Cena is better and and someone who is probably a lock for a Top 50 all-time spot, and it really isn't even an argument to me.
The Villain
Superstar
I dont. He a legend but he sits at the foot of any sort of wrestling pantheon
Playaz Eyez
Veteran
Hhh was the type to latch on to whoever was hot to keep himself relevant.
He slurped off shawn Michaels until he retired.
He was leader of dx but was one of the least popular in the group.
Hhh slept with the boss daughter so now all of the sudden its the McMahon- hemsley era which was just an extension of the fued vince had against the rock or Austin.
Both austin & the rock leave so now he turns raw into the hhh show where talks about how great he is for 20 mins before the real program actually begins.
During that time he single handedly kills the momentum of every wrestler from the main event scene who people came to see.
Fast forward a few years later & we get a cheap dx reunion where he attempts to be cool & edgy one more time.
He tries to be vince McMahon with the authority COO that nobody asked for.
He kills off one of the hottest angles & turns it into another hhh show.
Doesn't work mania now unless it's in front of 70,000 people & he gets a 10 min king of kings cerebral assasin ass kicker theatrical entrance.
He has it now where everybody who wins the nxt title have to come backstage after the match & slurp him off on camera & tell him how much he inspires them & worship the ground he walks on.
Hhh got 20+ years in the business & if you cut off the fat he got MAYBE 5 good years to him.
Only facts
