"When You Really Wanna Fight Someone, The Fight Gets Done" Wilder v Fury 12/1 SHOWTIME PPV Thread

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Dude either just wanna strengthen their negotiation position for a Joshua fight or he's legit tripping cause as good as this fight was, as big as this event was and as good as it would be if it really did 300k+ PPV it still didn't make him (and Fury) a bigger star than Joshua from one night to the other. If you are looking past the hardcore boxing circles where Joshua's popularity took a hit in the last year Joshua is still far the biggest name in Europe and in the HW division with lots of casual fans. Wilder''s name grew recently but still not nearly where Joshua is in level of celebrity in his country. Joshua's unpopularity in the hardcore circles doesn't mean he became irrelevant and that all of his fans gonna stop fukking with him cause Wilder and Fury fought a good fight.

If this is real and he wanna teach some moral lesson to Hearn and Joshua instead of sitting down with them it gonna end up bad for him cause for my money he will lose to Fury on the rematch and then Joshua vs Fury will be the fight to make and even if he's getting Joshua later he won't be in nearly as good position as he is now.
Also Joshua is the youngest of the trio and Wilder is the oldest. Wilder is 33 AJ is 29.
 
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Dude either just wanna strengthen their negotiation position for a Joshua fight or he's legit tripping cause as good as this fight was, as big as this event was and as good as it would be if it really did 300k+ PPV it still didn't make him (and Fury) a bigger star than Joshua from one night to the other. If you are looking past the hardcore boxing circles where Joshua's popularity took a hit in the last year Joshua is still far the biggest name in Europe and in the HW division with lots of casual fans. Wilder''s name grew recently but still not nearly where Joshua is in level of celebrity in his country. Joshua's unpopularity in the hardcore circles doesn't mean he became irrelevant and that all of his fans gonna stop fukking with him cause Wilder and Fury fought a good fight.

If this is real and he wanna teach some moral lesson to Hearn and Joshua instead of sitting down with them it gonna end up bad for him cause for my money he will lose to Fury on the rematch and then Joshua vs Fury will be the fight to make and even if he's getting Joshua later he won't be in nearly as good position as he is now.
Also Joshua is the youngest of the trio and Wilder is the oldest. Wilder is 33 AJ is 29.
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In the US both Fury and Wilder are bigger stars but seems like in the UK fury and wilder combined aren’t equal to Joshua.
 
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In the US both Fury and Wilder are bigger stars but seems like in the UK fury and wilder combined aren’t equal to Joshua.
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Fury solely because of this fight though, Joshua would do even better numbers against Wilder in a States debut imo. A big roadblock could be that we haven’t figured out yet how a network PPV and a streaming app gonna work together and it’s hard to imagine either Hearn telling DAZN they are not getting from the AJ vs Wilder cake or Showtime being okay with it being on DAZN. Maybe both can show it at the same time but in that case who would be stupid enough to buy the Showtime PPV for 100$ or what instead of an app what’s 10$ for a month and free for a month if you haven’t used your trial yet?

Actually that’s worrying if I’m thinking about it now... I don’t know how possibly they gonna work that out.

Because of that rn Im thinking AJ vs Fury would be even easier to make. It would be obvious that it’s in the UK and while BT and Sky would have to do a co-PPV that’s still easier than figuring out how a streaming app gonna work together with a TV network’s PPV.
 
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reservoirdogs said:


Dude either just wanna strengthen their negotiation position for a Joshua fight or he's legit tripping cause as good as this fight was, as big as this event was and as good as it would be if it really did 300k+ PPV it still didn't make him (and Fury) a bigger star than Joshua from one night to the other. If you are looking past the hardcore boxing circles where Joshua's popularity took a hit in the last year Joshua is still far the biggest name in Europe and in the HW division with lots of casual fans. Wilder''s name grew recently but still not nearly where Joshua is in level of celebrity in his country. Joshua's unpopularity in the hardcore circles doesn't mean he became irrelevant and that all of his fans gonna stop fukking with him cause Wilder and Fury fought a good fight.

If this is real and he wanna teach some moral lesson to Hearn and Joshua instead of sitting down with them it gonna end up bad for him cause for my money he will lose to Fury on the rematch and then Joshua vs Fury will be the fight to make and even if he's getting Joshua later he won't be in nearly as good position as he is now.
Also Joshua is the youngest of the trio and Wilder is the oldest. Wilder is 33 AJ is 29.
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Here is the audio of that quite and he's right..anyone with sense knows he's right.


And that age shyt dont shyt in heavyweight boxing..all 3 of those kids are in their prime.

Joshua is not a bigger star in America. At all. Especially after this fight which has everyone talking. All that other shyt? Real champions dont run or wait..everyone wants the rematch..DO THE fukkING REMATCH.
 
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Here is the audio of that quite and he's right..anyone with sense knows he's right.


And that age shyt dont shyt in heavyweight boxing..all 3 of those kids are in their prime.
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I'm not gonna listen to this 20 minutes Boxing Ego video man, I hold onto my opinion, if Wilder thinks that he would rather take the smaller purse and give the immediate rematch to Fury he gonna lose the rematch and will find himself on the outside.

Sometimes you have to do business with people you don't like, it comes with the territory no point in staying salty for years and fukk up your biggest payday ever cause you don't like the face of a promoter and you can't get over shyt.

After he will lose his belt to Fury and find himself on the outside what he gonna think? That it was worth fukking up his career high payday and the chance to become undisputed cause now he really showed it to Hearn and Joshua? :mjlol: That they made Joshua irrelevant? What is this, a fantasy novel?
Tell you what, if they gonna have an immediate rematch the fight between the winner of that and Joshua will be the most awaited fight in boxing (counting casual audience too) at least from Canelo vs GGG but probably since Mayweather vs Pacquiao (not counting May vs Mac) and Joshua will be one half of it. :yeshrug: In the comment you reacted to I broke down why dude won't be irrelevant anytime soon even if Wilder wants it really bad and even if his popularity took a hit in hardcore boxing circles.

If Wilder's plan is to beat Fury on the rematch and then go into the AJ fight with more leverage then he takes a risk which I don't think will pay out this time. I think Fury will beat him, next time officially too. He already won imo and rematched tend to favor the boxer anyway.
 
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reservoirdogs said:
I'm not gonna listen to this 20 minutes Boxing Ego video man, I hold onto my opinion, if Wilder thinks that he would rather take the smaller purse and give the immediate rematch to Fury he gonna lose the rematch and will find himself on the outside.
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Not all champions like to hide..no matter what, they all gotta fight each other. People want the Fury fight...seem u cats got some little agenda against Wilder. Lol. A draw needs a rematch. fukk Joshua..u wanna keep giving him credit for beating 40 yr old Povetkin types? Run with that..

Sometimes you have to do business with people you don't like, it comes with the territory no point in staying salty for years and fukk up your biggest payday ever cause you don't like the face of a promoter and you can't get over shyt.
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We know. Why didnt Joshua not want to do that fight last Sat? Sad.

After he will lose his belt to Fury and find himself on the outside what he gonna think? That it was worth fukking up his career high payday and the chance to become undisputed cause now he really showed it toHearn and Joshua? :mjlol: That they made Joshua irrelevant? What is this, a fantasy novel?
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Not quite...rematch clause if he loses to Fury.
Tell you what, if they gonna have an immediate rematch the fight between the winner of that and Joshua will be the most awaited fight in boxing (counting casual audience too) at least from Canelo vs GGG but probably since Mayweather vs Pacquiao (not counting May vs Mac) and Joshua will be one half of it. :yeshrug: In the comment you reacted to I broke down why dude won't be irrelevant anytime soon even if Wilder wants it really bad and even if his popularity took a hit in hardcore boxing circles.
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That's not guaranteed ..Joshua has not been proven in America. He doesnt even like to fight in Vegas...lol.


If Wilder's plan is to beat Fury on the rematch and then go into the AJ fight with more leverage then he takes a risk which I don't think will pay out this time. I think Fury will beat him, next time officially too. He already won imo and rematched tend to favor the boxer anyway.
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Hypotheticals.
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I have no agenda against Wilder but he is overrated by some and that showed on Saturday. You saying Joshua won't get credit for beating 40years old Povetkins but you had the same energy when Wilder beat Ortiz? Talking about Wilder who only started to fight stern opponents this March on his 40th fight at the age of 32? I don't claim that he didn't want it before but surely he was built up SUPER SLOW by his handlers and knowing that it is funny Wilder fans giving shyt to Joshua who already has a better resume than Wilder at 29 with 22 fights behind his back just cause he hasn't faced Wilder in the span of 1.5 years since his fight against Klitschko. Give me a break, man...

If he loses then a rubber match? You kidding? If he would lose a rematch to Fury nobody would care about a rubber match as he lost the first fight on most ppl's card and if he would lose officially on the rematch in most ppl's mind it would be 2-0 Fury.

Hypotheticals... sure, as I said it's my opinion, none of us sees the future but we are arguing about predictions and etc...
 
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