When the USA helped their man win an election in Russia...

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I agree that the USA has interfered in a lot of foreign elections. Often with disasterous results.


I disagree with the dumbasses here who are acting like it somehow makes Russia interfering in our elections a good thing, or that it's a GOOD thing that we have a president who Russia likes more than the majority of Americans do.


It's like selling state secrets. Do we have spies overseas trying to steal state secrets? Or course. Does that mean that I'm going to side with people selling our technology and intelligence to the Russians?

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It hasn't been proven Russia interfered in our elections. As a matter of fact the WaPo article says there's not direct link between any supposed hacking and election manipulation.

Also WaPo said, Julian Assange said, that the emails they got didn't come from the Russians.

So why all this red scare?
 

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It hasn't been proven Russia interfered in our elections. As a matter of fact the WaPo article says there's not direct link between any supposed hacking and election manipulation.

Also WaPo said, Julian Assange said, that the emails they got didn't come from the Russians.

So why all this red scare?

the establishment and the liberal media is trying to create this narrative that the Russians "subverted" our elections because they don't want to look in the mirror and accept the fact that the people of this country rejected them. Even though Trump is a raging sellout, and already has people turning on him, he was STILL the outsider. And both sides need a someone to point the finger at. Surprised these mofos aren't blaming Obama...but the Russian angle is low-hanging fruit.
 

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It's well established that I oppose Hillary Clinton and refused to vote for her. I believe that Clinton in office would simply continue the negative trends that are destroying the country and our communities. Of course, Trump will actually accelerate those trends. But with the need for an utter change of direction, we're only measuring in terms of the speed towards destruction, not the path.

All that being said, Putin himself has made it abundantly clear that this is what he wants, and Russian propaganda has been heavily pro-Trump. The CIA has political appointees, but it's generally full of career officers who are about to have Trump in charge of them, and so there is little chance that they are going to lie to hurt him this late in the game when he is borderline unstainable, and they could be thrown into the bushes in a heartbeat. All indications make it appear highly likely to me that the Russians are indeed behind this.

Julian Assauge certainly has his own reasons for not appreciating Clinton, but how would he even know who sent him the links when the wikileaks submission is supposed to be a blind dropbox? Anyone who gave him the documents and let him know who they was either manipulating him, or he's lying. You don't go around admitting involvement in international crime to 3rd parties who might one day have to strike plea-deals.

The Russians aren't red anymore, so there's no "red scare". Russians have a clear, obvious motive for being bitter at the US-led coalition which is opposing their excursions into neighboring countries, their deteriorating human rights record, and leveling sanctions which are hurting their economy. What about Putin makes you think that he wants to take that lying down, or that he believes there are limits to spycraft that he's not willing to cross?

I find it striking that as recently as 2 year ago, 70% of the country from both political parties was unified in the idea that Putin was a dictator and disliked him. A few friendly tweets from Bush, and now 70% of Republicans have flipped sides and gotten right behind Putin, even in the midst of an invasion of his invasion of a sovereign nation. And the typical new accounts are showing up right on cue here on the Coli to advance that propaganda.

And the idea that the people rejected "them" is a half-hearted truth at best. Three million more people voted for a very poor candidate in Clinton than voted for Trump, it's just that our electoral system gives extra points to small states and treats million-vote margins the same as thousand-vote margins.

The evidence and logic at hand points one way. Trying to point to...noone....isn't very tenable unless a likely someone emerges.
 
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Of course, this isn't the only example, but does anyone remember when we actually played a huge part in the overthrow and death of a democratically elected Socialist in Chile and subsequently installed a ruthless dictator named Alfred Pinochet who murdered thousands of "dissidents"?

Yeah, me neither.

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So because the US did this, you are fine with someone doing that to the US today?

Or is there some other genius point being made in this thread that I am missing?
 

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So because the US did this, you are fine with someone doing that to the US today?

Or is there some other genius point being made in this thread that I am missing?

I find it funny that citizens are outraged, as if the US hasn't done this throughout history to other countries and has probably ruined so many more lives than Trump will. Of course, most people are ignorant of history.

I don't want the Russians interfering with our elections, but I'm also not going to stand on some moral high ground in a parallel universe where the CIA and US government don't influence foreign elections and orchestrate coups.

Hillary was just exposed this election cycle as wanting to fix an old Palestinian election for fukks sake.

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I find it funny that citizens are outraged, as if the US hasn't done this throughout history to other countries and has probably ruined so many more lives than Trump will. Of course, most people are ignorant of history.

I don't want the Russians interfering with our elections, but I'm also not going to stand on some moral high ground in a parallel universe where the CIA and US government don't influence foreign elections and orchestrate coups.

Hillary was just exposed this election cycle as wanting to fix an old Palestinian election for fukks sake.

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Who is standing on some high moral ground? That's not the point I'm making. This extends beyond partisan politics, but go ahead jumping into a discussion on Hilary:rudy:

You don't want the Russians interfering in our elections, but when it happens and helps your man win, you will deflect and obscure any discussion on it. Is that it?
 

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Who is standing on some high moral ground? That's not the point I'm making. This extends beyond partisan politics, but go ahead jumping into a discussion on Hilary:rudy:

You don't want the Russians interfering in our elections, but when it happens and helps your man win, you will deflect and obscure any discussion on it. Is that it?
These people are the political equivalent of Kobe stans or Brady thots. Their brains are not capable of processing logic and they're allergic to facts. Keep this in mind.
 

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get the wool pulled over your eyes about corruption that was bad enough to lose an election by being scared of the bogeyman brehs
 

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Conflate two separate issues into one because your brain can't handle two discussions at once brehs
:mjlol:

so what is it?

Before, it was the hacks didn't release anything serious, and that there was nothing criminal or bad what happened.
But after the loss it was the clear reason that she lost...
 

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anyone even supporting trump is a traitor at this point.

Anything positive he does in the future is merely a coincidence.

Don't bother replying to me.
At this point? How about months ago when he asked a foreign nation to rig the election and suggested his supporters kill his opponent in the race?
 
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