What's up with the X-Men tho?

[Batsute]

When the fukk has Luke Cage, Cloak, and Black Lightning ever appealed to the plight of Blacks? Lol. Wtf.

Doesn't mean they can't marvel is too scared to every push a storyline where a bullet bounces of a Luke Cage and kills a kid because a cop shot first. The problem is they'll do easy stories like a kid getting bullied or drugs, but they would never do a story with Black Panther dealing with the realities of a unified africa.

shyt they sent him into space before to conquer space rocks before they ever have him confront Kony 2012.

 

[parallax]

Doesn't mean they can't marvel is too scared to every push a storyline where a bullet bounces of a Luke Cage and kills a kid because a cop shot first. The problem is they'll do easy stories like a kid getting bullied or drugs, but they would never do a story with Black Panther dealing with the realities of a unified africa.

shyt they sent him into space before to conquer space rocks before they ever have him confront Kony 2012.

its for the best. id rather see them attempt to something the writers think they know, instead of them jumping headfirst into some shyt they dont. id hate to see the lets hold hands ending that blue marvel would have had if a black man wasnt writing it

 

[nieman]

Also, agreed that they really haven't done a good job cultivating a lot of these new characters.

Hell, feels like Jubilee never amounted to anything. I mean, they had her stuck as a vampire for like the last 8 years

"Gentle" the non-aggressive Wakandan super strong mutant who doesn't want to hurt anybody... whatever. They all but ignored him up until this recent x-men red relaunch.

Hope Summers, after they curved her to the side, tasked her with her own team to.. find mutants or something, but clearly that book, if it was a book, long since got canned and i don't know who or what happened to the cast.

I think the main problem with the X-Men is that they have all of these great stories planned but end up sidelining them. They introduce great characters, intriguing stories that end up going nowhere. The proposed teams after Schism were dropped. Schism was interesting even though the teams made no sense. The 5 Lights were dope characters, and the proposed super character Hope is now sidelined. Idie is nowhere, Tempus is MIA. The Young X-Men are gone with the only one still around being Rockslide. I'm surprised Ink has shown up recently, so the current writer must be a fan. Dust, hell even Goldballs isn't with the X-Men. They keep the same characters in rotation and they were on that streak when the teams were different and had different missions. The Amazing X-Men was a good fun series and it was dropped. It's like as soon as they get good they say "oops...we're not supposed to tell great X-Men stories...RESET."

Doesn't mean they can't marvel is too scared to every push a storyline where a bullet bounces of a Luke Cage and kills a kid because a cop shot first. The problem is they'll do easy stories like a kid getting bullied or drugs, but they would never do a story with Black Panther dealing with the realities of a unified africa.

shyt they sent him into space before to conquer space rocks before they ever have him confront Kony 2012.

Luke Cage is in the big leagues now (thanks to Bendis). Marvel has Nighthawk for the black man plight and it was good. Falcon-Cap dealt with race issues and was good, but we knew it wouldn't last. Marvel isn't scared to push the stories at all, but there are few characters that allow them the liberties of said stories without it seeming forced or out of character. BP never gave a fukk about a unified Africa. He only cares about Wakanda...a unified Wakanda. That's also why him & Storm don't work as a unit.

 

[Primetime]

I think the main problem with the X-Men is that they have all of these great stories planned but end up sidelining them. They introduce great characters, intriguing stories that end up going nowhere. The proposed teams after Schism were dropped. Schism was interesting even though the teams made no sense. The 5 Lights were dope characters, and the proposed super character Hope is now sidelined. Idie is nowhere, Tempus is MIA. The Young X-Men are gone with the only one still around being Rockslide. I'm surprised Ink has shown up recently, so the current writer must be a fan. Dust, hell even Goldballs isn't with the X-Men. They keep the same characters in rotation and they were on that streak when the teams were different and had different missions. The Amazing X-Men was a good fun series and it was dropped. It's like as soon as they get good they say "oops...we're not supposed to tell great X-Men stories...RESET."

I agree with this too. Or rather, them not doubling down on the new characters that are good + introducing a number of so-so/meh characters that don't push the bar = always reverting back to and leaning heavily on the same core rotation of characters, a number of which aren't all that popular anyway.

What happened with Fantomex? I honestly never heard of him until the X-Force run when it looked like they were going to pair him up with Psylocke, before she went back to Warren.

And yea, Generation Hope was the book I was trying to remember. The hell happened to all those characters lol

 

[Luke Cage]

I noticed that they always pair up the best writers with the best artists. So I can tell by the quality of the artwork how much they are going to put into a series.
Too me best artist tend to use more realistic proportions and less kiddy looking panels. Plus they put more effort in the background of each panel.(IE; furniture and decorations in a room, instead of just a brown filler.)
so if i see wolverine looking more like this

instead of like this

I usually assume that the shytty looking one isn't going to have very much depth from a story perspective.

 

[DMR]

Lately all the screenwriters for main x-men titles suck - Soule, Guggneheim etc. Until someone who can write will pick those titles up, their popularity will deep even further

 

[Primetime]

With BP, BL, LC, and C&D, i was speaking more of the tv shows and movies. Whatever appeal the x-movies are supposed to have in having these white people represent the oppressed, mainstream audiences already have that with actual black n brown characters with superpowers.

Movie Magneto is cool, but obviously now you have MCU Killmonger, who as a 'villain' is going to have a deeper connection with black folks (and lowkey with a lot of white folks too)

 

[Primetime]

I noticed that they always pair up the best writers with the best artists. So I can tell by the quality of the artwork how much they are going to put into a series.
Too me best artist tend to use more realistic proportions and less kiddy looking panels. Plus they put more effort in the background of each panel.(IE; furniture and decorations in a room, instead of just a brown filler.)
so if i see wolverine looking more like this

instead of like this

I usually assume that the shytty looking one isn't going to have very much depth from a story perspective.

A couple years back, Marvel launched a wide release of diversity-aimed books ("All New All Different" was the slogan)... which was admirable on a surface level but it became quickly apparent they were hiring the most bottom of the barrel deviantart talent to draw a lot of the books. Pretty much being as cheap as possible, which didn't help the books gain much of an audience since the characters were already unfamiliar and the art was cringe-worthy

 

[Days of Future Piff]

Here's my thing with the whole Bryan Singer deal.
It made sense to diverge from the comics they way they did back in 2000 when Schumacher's Batman and Robin was still fresh on everyone's minds. Superhero movies weren't as much of a proven draw back then as they are today, especially when nobody wanted their name associated with a movie like Batman and Robin
So back then, it made sense to focus on their most popular character (Logan) and to take more of a science-fiction angle in an effort to pattern the look and feel of X-men after more successful action movies, like the Matrix.

The problem is that it's 20 years later and they're still following that same early-2000's formula because they're scared to be comicbook movies.

Never mind the fact that Spider-man, Batman, Deadpool and the Avengers have already come through and crushed the buildings. The mutants need to go back to Marvel, and hopefully given to writers and directors with a little bit more reverence for the source material (not to mention respect for the characters).

 

[Ill Lou Malnati]

All of that convoluted storytelling finally caught up with them, characters jumping back and forth between hero/villain like pro wrestlers, alternate universe/timeline versions of characters being "created" and given the spotlight instead of actual new and original (or seldom seen) characters being used, countless relaunches/"new era of the X-Men" bullshyt, lackluster X-Men "events", too many books, Disney/Marvel purposefully making them the red-headed stepchild to spite Fox, etc. All of that goes for the comics AND the movies.

X-Men have been garbage for 20 years, and the movies aren't that good either. And I say this as someone who was a huge X-Men fan as a kid.

 

[parallax]

I think the main problem with the X-Men is that they have all of these great stories planned but end up sidelining them. They introduce great characters, intriguing stories that end up going nowhere. The proposed teams after Schism were dropped. Schism was interesting even though the teams made no sense. The 5 Lights were dope characters, and the proposed super character Hope is now sidelined. Idie is nowhere, Tempus is MIA. The Young X-Men are gone with the only one still around being Rockslide. I'm surprised Ink has shown up recently, so the current writer must be a fan. Dust, hell even Goldballs isn't with the X-Men. They keep the same characters in rotation and they were on that streak when the teams were different and had different missions. The Amazing X-Men was a good fun series and it was dropped. It's like as soon as they get good they say "oops...we're not supposed to tell great X-Men stories...RESET."

Luke Cage is in the big leagues now (thanks to Bendis). Marvel has Nighthawk for the black man plight and it was good. Falcon-Cap dealt with race issues and was good, but we knew it wouldn't last. Marvel isn't scared to push the stories at all, but there are few characters that allow them the liberties of said stories without it seeming forced or out of character. BP never gave a fukk about a unified Africa. He only cares about Wakanda...a unified Wakanda. That's also why him & Storm don't work as a unit.

honestly, the 05 stifled the rest of the young xmen. for some reason, pushing them meant putting the others on the backburner, which is odd because the new generation is far more interesting than the young rehashes with no weight to them. i mean when was the last time you saw surge?

 

[Doctor Doom]

They started facing bullshyt one-dimensional villains who aren't that interesting unless they suddenly massacre everything. (Cassandra Nova is garbage, and so is Bastion.)

shyt Inhumans push killed off fukking Cyclops, who was probably the most gully leader of mutants. 10+ years of great character development, and Black Bolt oneshots him. He had started getting real good control on his blasts too

Inhumans are off-brand mutants with 1st world problems.

 

[Days of Future Piff]

They ruined Cyclops, he's dikk but he was a idealistic dikk then they kill em off. Xkids were dumb as shyt, iceman now gay, and all the stupid ass heel turns turned me off to X-Men.

People wanna use mutants as a metaphor for the oppressed, but that shyt don't work anymore since 99% of society now fights for the oppressed. If anything they need to go the route having their identity co opted by humans who become culture vultures of mutants.

That's actually a dope idea

Maybe you could have a story where humans start getting more fascinated with mutants and develop technology to get mutant powers themselves. The media and press pass it off as if mutants and humans are living in true equality. But you would still have sentinels patrolling and laws getting passed that affect the original mutants who were BORN that way and not the humans turned mutants. The humans turned mutants could form their own little supervillain faction enforcing -ish policies against natural born mutants.

Magneto would be heated, he would go and try to destroy that technology the moment he first heard of it.
I could see Cyclops calling the humans turned mutants out--like our mutant struggle means nothing to you until you want reinforcements to fight YOUR battles.
Wolverine would be disgusted, like being a mutant isn't a game or a fashion trend, it's real out here for mutants.
Maybe Storm would be conflicted because of her powers and link with nature. You can't synthesize that in a lab. Meanwhile, Nightcrawler would be thinking of how best to address the whole situation in a Godly way. Rogue (due to her inability to touch anyone) would be out here like "now everyone wants to be a mutant, but nobody REALLY wants to be a mutant".
Professor X might argue that this whole situation is a mockery of his dream. That we all need to live up to our responsibility to embrace who we ARE while caring for others as we would ourselves instead envying one another and co-opting each other's identities.

Society would mistakenly think that everything is cool since the faux mutants are being treated well, ignorant to the sentinel patrols and unjust laws becoming a reality.
That storyline could open a really dope philosophical debate actually

All of that convoluted storytelling finally caught up with them, characters jumping back and forth between hero/villain like pro wrestlers, alternate universe/timeline versions of characters being "created" and given the spotlight instead of actual new and original (or seldom seen) characters being used, countless relaunches/"new era of the X-Men" bull____, lackluster X-Men "events", too many books, Disney/Marvel purposefully making them the red-headed stepchild to spite Fox, etc. All of that goes for the comics AND the movies.

X-Men have been garbage for 20 years, and the movies aren't that good either. And I say this as someone who was a huge X-Men fan as a kid.

When would you say was the last truly dope X-men storyline (in the 616 universe)?

 

[WhatsGoodTy]

The movies are fukking trash. If this next movie a flop it’s really over.

 

[parallax]

The movies are fukking trash. If this next movie a flop it’s really over.

its over whether it flops or not. the fox xmen outside of deadpool are done