What's up with people calling Canelo the Goat?

[Ducktales]

Yeah ok

This is like comparing Larry Bird to MJ.

 

[krackdagawd]

Muthafukker don't even know what the word era means

it's hilarious because just like Floyd dudes irrationally hate nikkas went from crying everyone was a hater during the Money May era(they weren't watching prettyboy ) to becoming the haters

Funny shyt is Floyd and damn near every other fighter gives Canelo his props but the coli couch team gotta do what they do

 

[R=G]

In my lifetime he’s one of the greats but he failed a drug test and he gets a lot of passes because he’s a white Mexican( he doesn’t slap like that to Mexicans for that reason) at times it feels like all media machine then sometimes it feels like all him but it’s not his fault because there hasn’t been that many fighters on his level in the ring with him. He’s grown exponentially with his defense, countering, and game plans especially when you consider he’s had the same trainers since the start. Out of the ring by him not being so good with English it hurts him. In all his fights post Floyd he’s always the favorite to me like how GGG fought in the first fight made GGG look great to me. The way he took out Koalev needs to be talked about more to KO a light heavyweight that decorated was amazing. When he KOs people it’s like a prime power hitter hitting a homerun that clears center field and goes 600 feet away. Some of those KO’s are attempted murder.

That he's willing to fight..he's ducking like 3 or 4 guys at this juncture. Beterbiev called him out..Yildrim though. Bivol said he come to 168..Yildrim though. Andrade would come to 168..Yildrim though. Charlo would fight him..yildrim though. And he's damn near petrified ofDavid Benavidez's name after he called him out over and over again..lol.

 

[Yuzo]

That's what I'm saying. demar and John wall are very good players. 2nd tier stars. But LeBron is an all time legend. Canelo is the only active fighter today that's going down as an all time great. The rest of these guys are really good but most of em are wasting their prime years chasing that one huge payday.

canelo alvarez is a good fighter because he beat danny jacobs and he might have beat gennady golovkin. gennady golovkin is a good fighter because he beat danny jacobs and he might have beat canelo alvarez. danny jacobs is a good fighter because he lost to gennady golovkin and canelo alvarez. how good you think canelo is has a lot to do with how good you think golovkin is, and how good you think golovkin is has a lot to do with how good you think jacobs is. but thats circular logic. based on their fights with each other, i would just suppose that they are all close to the same level; but that doesnt tell you how good they are. canelo beat kovalev and smith. would golovkin and jacobs have done that? i dont know that answer because that never happened but based on kovalev almost losing and almost knocked out by anthony yarde, who then lost to another guy whose name i cant remember, maybe because i never heard of him, and smith receiving a gift decision over john ryder, who was another guy i never heard of, i would suppose that its a possibility. but canelo looked great doing it. does that make him an all time legend? not to me. theres been some pretty good fighters. i dont like to hand out those kinds of titles out of respect to those fighters. i like that he is fighting saunders. that is a good fight. saunders can beat him. demar derozan is having a good season. he went down to san anontio and is turning into a better player. dont count guys like that out just because you dont think theyre all time legends.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

canelo alvarez is a good fighter because he beat danny jacobs and he might have beat gennady golovkin. gennady golovkin is a good fighter because he beat danny jacobs and he might have beat canelo alvarez. danny jacobs is a good fighter because he lost to gennady golovkin and canelo alvarez. how good you think canelo is has a lot to do with how good you think golovkin is, and how good you think golovkin is has a lot to do with how good you think jacobs is. but thats circular logic. based on their fights with each other, i would just suppose that they are all close to the same level; but that doesnt tell you how good they are. canelo beat kovalev and smith. would golovkin and jacobs have done that? i dont know that answer because that never happened but based on kovalev almost losing and almost knocked out by anthony yarde, who then lost to another guy whose name i cant remember, maybe because i never heard of him, and smith receiving a gift decision over john ryder, who was another guy i never heard of, i would suppose that its a possibility. but canelo looked great doing it. does that make him an all time legend? not to me. theres been some pretty good fighters. i dont like to hand out those kinds of titles out of respect to those fighters. i like that he is fighting saunders. that is a good fight. saunders can beat him. demar derozan is having a good season. he went down to san anontio and is turning into a better player. dont count guys like that out just because you dont think theyre all time legends.

Had no idea you were such a huge DeMar Derozan fan


And nobody counted him out. Have no idea how you even got that from my post. I mentioned DeRozan and LeBron for comparison sake. DeRozan is a really good basketball player. All star caliber at his best. But he's nowhere near LeBron as far as legacy goes. And the same can be said for all of these fighters in comparison to canelo. That's just the facts......And there is no might about beating golovkin. He did beat him. And that's going in the history books.


If you wanna ding canelo for having close fights that's your right. Doesn't change the fact that his legendary status is solidified. Dude is a global icon. And he already has all time greats referring to him as a legend. That's really all that needs to be said

 

[Yuzo]

Had no idea you were such a huge DeMar Derozan fan


And nobody counted him out. Have no idea how you even got that from my post. I mentioned DeRozan and LeBron for comparison sake. DeRozan is a really good basketball player. All star caliber at his best. But he's nowhere near LeBron as far as legacy goes. And the same can be said for all of these fighters in comparison to canelo. That's just the facts......And there is no might about beating golovkin. He did beat him. And that's going in the history books.


If you wanna ding canelo for having close fights that's your right. Doesn't change the fact that his legendary status is solidified. Dude is a global icon. And he already has all time greats referring to him as a legend. That's really all that needs to be said

i like the spurs.

 

[Black_Jesus]

canelo alvarez is a good fighter because he beat danny jacobs and he might have beat gennady golovkin. gennady golovkin is a good fighter because he beat danny jacobs and he might have beat canelo alvarez. danny jacobs is a good fighter because he lost to gennady golovkin and canelo alvarez. how good you think canelo is has a lot to do with how good you think golovkin is, and how good you think golovkin is has a lot to do with how good you think jacobs is. but thats circular logic. based on their fights with each other, i would just suppose that they are all close to the same level; but that doesnt tell you how good they are. canelo beat kovalev and smith. would golovkin and jacobs have done that? i dont know that answer because that never happened but based on kovalev almost losing and almost knocked out by anthony yarde, who then lost to another guy whose name i cant remember, maybe because i never heard of him, and smith receiving a gift decision over john ryder, who was another guy i never heard of, i would suppose that its a possibility. but canelo looked great doing it. does that make him an all time legend? not to me. theres been some pretty good fighters. i dont like to hand out those kinds of titles out of respect to those fighters. i like that he is fighting saunders. that is a good fight. saunders can beat him. demar derozan is having a good season. he went down to san anontio and is turning into a better player. dont count guys like that out just because you dont think theyre all time legends.

Canelo is considered P4P and viewed as being one of the greats because you fans are the ones that boosted up his opponents before Canelo beat them.. You all weren't questioning how good they really were as an opponent for Canelo.. You believe Saunders can beat Canelo and thats a good win for Canelo. Cool.. Fans said the same thing about Lara, Trout, Cotto, ggg, Jacobs, Kovalev, and Callum Smith.. After he beat them now yall is "bu but how good were they really" lol Canelos win over Kovalev isn't being talked about in the correct context.. You're claiming Kovalev almost got KOd by Yarde and comparing it to what Canelo did bit not taking in consideration that Canelo knocked out Kovalev and did it coming straight from 160.. You asked would ggg and Jacobs do the same thing? We will never know because they aren't willing to take that type of risk.. I doubt they would even fight the 2022 version of Kovalev.. You got guys like Jermall Charlo who not even willing to fight past 166.. Canelo has unified at 160.. Jumped to 175 snatched a belt from a chanpion there.. Dropped down to 168 and unified against an undefeated champion there.. Nobody in boxing is attempting to do anything close to what Canelo is doing..

 

[Yuzo]

Canelo is considered P4P and viewed as being one of the greats because you fans are the ones that boosted up his opponents before Canelo beat them.. You all weren't questioning how good they really were as an opponent for Canelo.. You believe Saunders can beat Canelo and thats a good win for Canelo. Cool.. Fans said the same thing about Lara, Trout, Cotto, ggg, Jacobs, Kovalev, and Callum Smith.. After he beat them now yall is "bu but how good were they really" lol Canelos win over Kovalev isn't being talked about in the correct context.. You're claiming Kovalev almost got KOd by Yarde and comparing it to what Canelo did bit not taking in consideration that Canelo knocked out Kovalev and did it coming straight from 160.. You asked would ggg and Jacobs do the same thing? We will never know because they aren't willing to take that type of risk.. I doubt they would even fight the 2022 version of Kovalev.. You got guys like Jermall Charlo who not even willing to fight past 166.. Canelo has unified at 160.. Jumped to 175 snatched a belt from a chanpion there.. Dropped down to 168 and unified against an undefeated champion there.. Nobody in boxing is attempting to do anything close to what Canelo is doing..

i never thought the kovalev and smith fights were good fights. ray arcel said once the cork comes out theres no putting it back in, and, as for smith, go look at his record yourself. i dont think canelo has separated himself at 160 yet. he is about as good, or a little better than golovkin, and about as good, or a little better than jacobs based on their fights with each other. i like the saunders fight, and if he beats him i'll give him credit; but he needs to beat him first.

 

[Black_Jesus]

i never thought the kovalev and smith fights were good fights. ray arcel said once the cork comes out theres no putting it back in, and, as for smith, go look at his record yourself. i dont think canelo has separated himself at 160 yet. he is about as good, or a little better than golovkin, and about as good, or a little better than jacobs based on their fights with each other. i like the saunders fight, and if he beats him i'll give him credit; but he needs to beat him first.

How has Canelo not separated himself at 160??
He beat 2 champions there. beat a champion at 175 and 168 since... Nobody else at 160 has done anything close to this...besides ggg facing Lemieux 6 years ago.. why has nobody else there separated themselves? And if they can’t get the fights they want there why haven’t they moved up?? You can’t say Canelo hasn’t separated himself when he’s literally done more than everyone else at 160..

 

[Yuzo]

How has Canelo not separated himself at 160??
He beat 2 champions there. beat a champion at 175 and 168 since... Nobody else at 160 has done anything close to this...besides ggg facing Lemieux 6 years ago.. why has nobody else there separated themselves? And if they can’t get the fights they want there why haven’t they moved up?? You can’t say Canelo hasn’t separated himself when he’s literally done more than everyone else at 160..

i like to look at common opponents. canelo-golovkin-jacobs is a pretty good barometer: they all fought each other. and based on this, the gap is not real wide between them. would you agree with that? charlo fought derevyanchenko and i thought he looked a lot better than golovkin. andrade fought sulecki and i thought he looked a lot better than jacobs and he fought akavov and i thought he looked a lot better than saunders. a lot of people thought akavov beat saunders. andrade completely shut out both those guys. callum smith? he never fought or beat anybody. thats why i told you to go look at his record. now this is all conjecture but its not a bad measuring stick: if canelo-golovkin-jacobs are all close to the same level as each other's common opponents, and other guys have looked more dominant against their common opponents, then maybe the gap isnt that wide. i agree that there needs to be more action in these divisions.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

He faced the goat and lost. Now he facing sparring partners and no Mexicans. Floyd last undefeated black fighter he has ever faced. A past his prime old Floyd. Get this steroid pumping cracka out of here. Media doing what they always do .

Like who? Most Mexican fighters top out at 135-140 at a push.

 

[Black_Jesus]

i like to look at common opponents. canelo-golovkin-jacobs is a pretty good barometer: they all fought each other. and based on this, the gap is not real wide between them. would you agree with that? charlo fought derevyanchenko and i thought he looked a lot better than golovkin. andrade fought sulecki and i thought he looked a lot better than jacobs and he fought akavov and i thought he looked a lot better than saunders. a lot of people thought akavov beat saunders. andrade completely shut out both those guys. callum smith? he never fought or beat anybody. thats why i told you to go look at his record. now this is all conjecture but its not a bad measuring stick: if canelo-golovkin-jacobs are all close to the same level as each other's common opponents, and other guys have looked more dominant against their common opponents, then maybe the gap isnt that wide. i agree that there needs to be more action in these divisions.

So going off your own measuring stick..basically what you’re telling me is all these guys at 160 BESIDES Canelo haven’t separated themselves at 160 which is what I been saying... Canelo has already beaten 2 of the people that beat Dervenchenko... Andrade or Charlo hasnt beaten anybody that beat Dervenchenko.. Andrade and Charlo hasn’t separated themselves from a Danny Jacobs.. Nor have they fought Danny Jacobs. They don’t have common opponents with Canelo..
Canelo beat middleweight champions Super middleweight champions as well as light heavyweight champions . Andrade and Charlo have not and won’t attempt to do this.. ggg(only champ he ever beat was Lemiux) and Jacobs haven’t done it either...which means Canelo has CLEARLY seperated himself from those guys

 

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[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

We already know this shyt will get swept under the rug. Dude's own brother put him on blast. People are gonna say mell was cappin but I don't see mell lying on his brother like that. Dude was just emotional and let it slip out. He prolly regretted it after but it was already done. There were already rumors for a while that Mall turned down the canelo fight and Mell just confirmed it. It is what it is. I honestly don't think jermell really cares that much anymore. He seems content with his life.

 

[NZA]

i dont even know where to begin. this is...ridiculous, and i like canelo. he is the best fighter of his generation, but he doesnt have a resume to even sniff the guys who are not quite GOAT let alone be the damn GOAT.