the next guy
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Calling out the voters is a great way to lose elections.
Whats up with idiots blaming democrats and not voters for political stagnation?
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Gritsngravy
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what if quietly dems and reps both want things the way they are currently, is it hard to believe they agree more so than disagree on issues that’s why things seem stagnant
JamesJabdi
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The thing about that is that Republicans don't act like they care about those things. They own their scumbaggery and tell people to pull their own bootstraps. The dems might be the lesser of two evils, but they are apart of the political stagnation. The dems would never lose if they actually made meaningful change in regards to housing affordability, education costs or actually going after the rich....but all we see is a blame game between the two parties and no real progress.
Neither the DNC nor the state Democratic Party organizations have done nearly as much as they should to mobilize voters as they should, nor have the national or state parties bothered to push for any universally popular policies or issues to get the people going.
Moderate Dems will be the death of the party, because outside of rhetoric, they don't appear to the average working-class person to be very distinct from Republicans - outside of the extremes.
Moderate Dems will be the death of the party, because outside of rhetoric, they don't appear to the average working-class person to be very distinct from Republicans - outside of the extremes.
You're not wrong at all, but stupid voters are also stuck in a solid propaganda chamber - the rise of Fox News in its current state and the domination of conservative creators/radio/publications should have been seen from miles away, and there should have been a decades-long effort to curb their influence.
Instead, (due to moneyed- interests almost exclusively being conservative) they grew.
Almost like good cop bad cop like I've telling y'all
NZA
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the overton window is center-right. the republicans actively pull to the right. they dont self moderate. they go hard. the democrats pick the center and self moderate. they keep progressives in check. this is simple logic. the voters are dumb if they vote for moderates and expect progress, but the democrats are not neutral - they have staked a position in the center and actively work toward that status quo.
To be honest though, the Democrats could do all of that and still lose due to sheer racial resentment. Trump didn't get elected to fix the economy, he got in mostly because America had a black president for eight years.
Social programs and/or money going towards doing the things you mentioned will be seen my much of the country as just handouts to lazy minorities regardless of whether they benefit from it themselves or not. Obamacare is a perfect example of something hated by many people who benefit from it for the reasons I stated. So it's hard to see anything really changing unless demographics change.
Exactly. Fighting racism is a sure fire way to lose elections.
JamesJabdi
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Back in 08 the country was in a very bad place. Financial crisis, 2 wars and people being evicted from their homes. Then on the scene came a young brotha by the name of Obama with the slogan "Hope" and people actually felt like change was gonna come. he had the largest amount of votes for a president EVER(At the time)! So, what happen?...nothing really changed and people saw that. The voter turnout then decreased/shifted, which led to Trump winning in 2016.
More affordable, education, affordable housing and higher living wages is gonna impact every american and will even shift people to vote for the party that pushes for this in a real meaningful way. The demographics are changing right now and them latinos are voting more and more for the republican party.
JamesJabdi
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But fighting for trans rights which impacts 0.001% of the country is a sure way to win elections?
Drake's Tan
All Star
That's what they're paying Napoleon to do.
This is one of the biggest problems with this nation
We have idiots on the fence wanting to seem more important and smarter than they are.This country needs to swing hard to the left and vote in progressives. Moderate Dems need to be purged from the party.
We have idiots on the fence wanting to seem more important and smarter than they are.This country needs to swing hard to the left and vote in progressives. Moderate Dems need to be purged from the party.
The reality is that we have center right and far right parties in this country. Though the Dems are better overall than Republicans who I would never vote for, they both have a lot of the same masters, and the establishment Dems have the same neoliberal worldview that started with Clinton. As a result, and because of the makeup of the senate and how hard it is to get progressive laws passed, they are ineffectual in passing the kind of substantive legislation this country needs.
The only way this changes is if we get a senate that has enough senators that will pass better legislation, and a President who is willing to fight for them (and not blame the senate parliamentarian as an example or refuse to call out wayward senators torpedoing his agenda).
The only chance the average person has to get things that would benefit a large portion of society like better social safety nets, universal healthcare, education reform, prison reform, etc. is to change the Democratic party from within. That's it. Not voting to send a message won't work because Republicans have gone full fascist and will hasten the slide into a far right wing dystopia. Third parties are not viable in the US, at least not for the foreseeable future.
It's grim, but that's the only option at the moment. And it will take a while. Meanwhile, the Dems getting wiped out in the mid-terms will make things even worse.
The only way this changes is if we get a senate that has enough senators that will pass better legislation, and a President who is willing to fight for them (and not blame the senate parliamentarian as an example or refuse to call out wayward senators torpedoing his agenda).
The only chance the average person has to get things that would benefit a large portion of society like better social safety nets, universal healthcare, education reform, prison reform, etc. is to change the Democratic party from within. That's it. Not voting to send a message won't work because Republicans have gone full fascist and will hasten the slide into a far right wing dystopia. Third parties are not viable in the US, at least not for the foreseeable future.
It's grim, but that's the only option at the moment. And it will take a while. Meanwhile, the Dems getting wiped out in the mid-terms will make things even worse.
If any politician got anything done they would have nothing to run on