What would you do if you found out that you’re related to.......

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Song so disrespectful.
If I was about that life I would have had to off him on gp.

 

[xoxodede]

@Supper @IllmaticDelta I'll let the experts speak on this.

But, this doesn't mean he is from Free People of Color or have Haitian Creole Roots. Or that they are light-skinned or anything else.

Louisiana Creole doesn't mean Haitian. There are different kinds of Creoles. If he does -- it would more than likely be from White or Mixed FPOC enslavers who enslaved who came from Haiti.

And please remember Lousiana was a MAJOR slave port.

In Colonial Louisiana, the French called anyone who was born in the Americas (as opposed to born in France) creoles.

In Louisiana was very racially diverse (more than any other colony in the United States for a time), so lots of mixing occurred and the stereotype is that creoles are all mixed race people and mixed looking people.

But, anyone with deep colonial roots from Louisiana dating back to when it was ruled by the French, technically has creole ancestry.

The term créole was originally used by French settlers to distinguish persons born in Louisiana from those born in the mother country or elsewhere. As in many other colonial societies around the world, creole was a term used to mean those who were "native-born", especially native-born Europeans such as the French and Spanish. It also came to be applied to African-descended slaves and Native Americans who were born in Louisiana.[3][4][5] The word is not a racial or ethnic label, and people of fully European descent, fully African descent, or of any mixture therein (including Native American admixture) may identify as Creoles.

Louisiana Creole people - Wikipedia​

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

nikkas acting like because you creole, you can’t be a piece of shyt..,

 

[Supper]

@Supper @IllmaticDelta I'll let the experts speak on this.

But, this doesn't mean he is from Free People of Color or have Haitian Creole Roots. Or that they are light-skinned or anything else.

Louisiana Creole doesn't mean Haitian. There are different kinds of Creoles. If he does -- it would more than likely be from White or Mixed FPOC enslavers who enslaved who came from Haiti.

And please remember Lousiana was a MAJOR slave port.

In Colonial Louisiana, the French called anyone who was born in the Americas (as opposed to born in France) creoles.

In Louisiana was very racially diverse (more than any other colony in the United States for a time), so lots of mixing occurred and the stereotype is that creoles are all mixed race people and mixed looking people.

But, anyone with deep colonial roots from Louisiana dating back to when it was ruled by the French, technically has creole ancestry.

The term créole was originally used by French settlers to distinguish persons born in Louisiana from those born in the mother country or elsewhere. As in many other colonial societies around the world, creole was a term used to mean those who were "native-born", especially native-born Europeans such as the French and Spanish. It also came to be applied to African-descended slaves and Native Americans who were born in Louisiana.[3][4][5] The word is not a racial or ethnic label, and people of fully European descent, fully African descent, or of any mixture therein (including Native American admixture) may identify as Creoles.

Louisiana Creole people - Wikipedia​

Actually in COLONIAL Louisiana "creole" was a slave term to distinguish African born slaves from colony born slaves, so only people of African descent were called creole. People of European descent identified with a specific european ethnicity(spanish, french, english{yes they were there}, german, irish etc). White people of pre Louisiana purchase ancestry didn't adopt the term "creole" until after the louisiana purchase to differentiate themselves from the newly arriving anglophone, protestant population coming in from "old" America.


And no there was no "strong" connection between Louisiana creole society and the caribbean, specifically haiti. This is just something that people try to use to write non-ados people into the legacy of African-Americans. And I'd say colonial spanish florida was even more racially diverse than colonial louisiana given the large "untamed" maroon and native american population there.

The slave trade to French Louisiana was for the most part not modeled after and connected at all to the slave trade to french caribbean islands like St. Domingue. In fact trade in general between Louisiana and the Caribbean was highly restricted as to not allow the poor louisiana colony to be economically muscled out by the wealthy caribbean colonies, and slaves from the french caribbean were EXPLICITLY BANNED from entering louisiana due to their "bad nature"(something you caribbeans out there can take pride in instead of using louisiana creoles to appropriate AA culture and history), and louisiana slave traders were ordered to obtain slaves directly from Africa.

The few thousand haitian refugee who migrated to Louisiana in the late 18th and early 19th century were mostly free white and mulatto class who they impacted the most, not the enslaved black class, migrated from Cuba, 90 percent of them went to New Orleans and did not have a significant impact on the population anywhere else in southern louisiana, and many of whom were not permanent & returned to the Caribbean, especially at the turn of the US civil war.

Many free black and Creoles would return to Haiti in the late 1859. Many former refugees had kept contact with Haitian relatives since the Haitian Revolution. Other had kept or formed business contacts that they used to help transition out of the increasing racism of the pre-Civil War South.

FEATURE: New Orleans Trade Routes: Path to Riches, Path to Freedom | AFROPUNK

Hell, british/american anglos and their slaves colonized/immigrated to the Florida Parishes in Colonial Southern Louisiana before the Haitian refugees got there.
British West Florida - Wikipedia

Louisiana (afro)-creole culture and society existed before the haitian immigration to New Orleans, and was little changed after it. The biggest impact on said society by far as I've said and proven many times was the importation of over half a million slaves from the "old US" into the state during the domestic slave trade who dispersed and mixed throughout the previous creole population.

 

[get these nets]

I agree with the point @xoxodede brought up about how the term Creole was originally used. A variation of that term was used in other colonies to refer to native born people of that specific colony . This is all documented for centuries in books/records in multiple languages from multiple Euro home countries.

Some of the old threads about Louisiana and Creoles were marred by people not debating in good faith ,refusing to concede points, and claiming to know more than historians.

99 times out of 100, I will concede to the opinion person FROM a community that is being discussed, but in the Lousiana threads, pride won't let certain people admit when they are wrong.
I'm wired differently, and my pride and competitiveness forces me to thank a person for correcting or clarifying something that I said that was partially or completely wrong.

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When I said that tariq might be related to Roland, I was specifically talking about how fully integrated the gens de couleur(refugees from S.D.) became in the Louisiana Creole community.

The last census of that territory as a French possession would note a certain population of free people or mixed race free people.
The first two censuses of that State (and gulf areas of MS) would reflect that influx of St. Domingue mixed race people into the territory.
Those numbers don't lie.

Due to the insular nature of that community in Lousiana and gulf region, the SD gdc would have naturally intermarried and replenished/expanded them, even as other Free Blacks from old American colonies moved in. The SDs spoke French, practiced Catholicism, and had the same values/influences as the Creoles of that region.

Because of the intermarriage and integration of that SD community, It would not be uncommon for an American person of that descent to be related by marriage or blood to those in that SD refugee group.
Roland Martin has 3/4 AA heritage. His Haitian ancestors who moved to Louisiana(great grands) would have touched ground here during Reconstruction, and more than likely had family ties to those from the SD refugee group from the early 1800s.
They married into AA families. If those families were longtime residents of the region there is a chance that he and tariq could be related on AA side or on Haitian side.

I was just speculating when I read OP, that's all.

 

[Supper]

Again, I've made a whole thread thoroughly debunking the clap trap about Haitians having this some significant lasting impact on louisiana creole society, let alone the society of southern louisiana as a whole. They simply didn't.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/fet...f-us-creoles-louisiana-history-people.704029/

^^^ Just go here if you want to learn more on the subject, and not have to listen to bs from an obsessed outsider living WAY in New York with an agenda trying to write his people into my culture, who've I already schooled many a times in debates into fear of engaging me anymore on the subject before, hence the crying and sublims coming my way.

If there were truly anything inaccurate about what I wrote then it would simply be a matter of quoting the inaccurate statement and providing definitive proof to the contrary, and I'd look like a fool. But, crybaby wont do that because HE CAN'T, and that's why he sticks to throwing sublims on the sideline. Not because he's taking some moral high ground. lol