What Now Kyle? 2024 49ers Offseason Thread

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offense is literally running everyone back :patrice:

too many other teams are re-tooling and re-upping for SF to be comfortable simply repeating.
The O-Line was porous, the team needs a short-yardage/power back in the worst way, and for the love of god there needs to be more 21 personnel in situations where the best TE on the team isn't forced to babysit the RT.
 

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offense is literally running everyone back :patrice:

too many other teams are re-tooling and re-upping for SF to be comfortable simply repeating.
The O-Line was porous, the team needs a short-yardage/power back in the worst way, and for the love of god there needs to be more 21 personnel in situations where the best TE on the team isn't forced to babysit the RT.
It's draft or bust, imo. Considering we gotta get some of those fukked up injuries we were lucky to limit only to Huff last season, we gonna need one of those classes that lands us like 3 starters and a decent back up.
 

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It's draft or bust, imo. Considering we gotta get some of those fukked up injuries we were lucky to limit only to Huff last season, we gonna need one of those classes that lands us like 3 starters and a decent back up.
but you know how this go bruh. Kyle don't play rookies. No matter if he should - he just don't ever want to do that shyt. They could somehow have MHJ fall into their lap and cuz would be playing special teams and fourth off the bench while he spends more time talking to blocking coaches than running routes.

It's the major flaw of the philosophy here; it's all made so intentionally complex that they don't even want to give rookies a chance to be out there, nevermind have an impact :snoop: Our only hope is fresh blood on defense for the sake of rotation. Rookie offensive players? hope they're good gunners and all-world clipboard holders
 

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but you know how this go bruh. Kyle don't play rookies. No matter if he should - he just don't ever want to do that shyt. They could somehow have MHJ fall into their lap and cuz would be playing special teams and fourth off the bench while he spends more time talking to blocking coaches than running routes.

It's the major flaw of the philosophy here; it's all made so intentionally complex that they don't even want to give rookies a chance to be out there, nevermind have an impact :snoop: Our only hope is fresh blood on defense for the sake of rotation. Rookie offensive players? hope they're good gunners and all-world clipboard holders
This comes down to trust. Kyle just dislikes playing rookies because he needs to win now. But as a result they rarely develop. He'd rather have a mediocre vet who knows the system and will make less mistakes than just throwing a guy out there sink or swim with a high ceiling.


If Jimmy never gets hurt he is probably still on this team with a multi-dollar deal and who knows where Brock is
 

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but you know how this go bruh. Kyle don't play rookies. No matter if he should - he just don't ever want to do that shyt. They could somehow have MHJ fall into their lap and cuz would be playing special teams and fourth off the bench while he spends more time talking to blocking coaches than running routes.

It's the major flaw of the philosophy here; it's all made so intentionally complex that they don't even want to give rookies a chance to be out there, nevermind have an impact :snoop: Our only hope is fresh blood on defense for the sake of rotation. Rookie offensive players? hope they're good gunners and all-world clipboard holders
I mean, when he has to play them and they contribute, they play. Deebo, Aiyuk (due to Deebo's injury) and Mitchell played heavy rookie minutes and two of them played big roles in the playoffs.
 

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I mean, when he has to play them and they contribute, they play. Deebo, Aiyuk (due to Deebo's injury) and Mitchell played heavy rookie minutes and two of them played big roles in the playoffs.
but that's kinda the comedy. It's like Lynch and Shanahan are fundamentally at odds. The only way to get the rookies playing time is obligation, but if we are in a situation where it is obligatory that the coach play them, then it is a failing of the GM because there's a derth of depth. But if we have enough depth, then the GM's drafting looks subpar because we grab a bunch of guys to pay and sit and contribute nothing.

I just hope the team decides to get themselves a great T. Don't even get a college RT. Get a college LT that can play RT now and will move over to LT when Trent is gone. But that's an unsexy pick that I suspect won't get made because they'll try and look like they're doing something with the draft pick because of how quiet the team has been in FA.

It's just disheartening because all of the major playoff teams from last year have added at least a major piece to get them over the hump. And sure, the team can assume that without the injuries, last year woulda gone differently but... none of those injuries from last year are realistically going to be ready to go this year, and the team is about to go into this without even the scapegoat of a DC to blame.

Eagles seem to being going full-on offense at the cost of defense.
Chiefs finally got someone who might be able to be a threat on the outside.
Ravens... oh lawd Baltimore been moving.
And meanwhile. Here's SF. Their one big swing got curved. They've made cap space to keep people. But unless they plan on going into next year with a different philosophy installed... nothing tells me this team isn't going to be the same as last year, but a year older, trying to run the same stuff they were running against teams that have a whole year to get ready for it.

Deebo need to be in the backfield more often this year.
Not pitches or motions. I mean 2021 shyt. If 23, 85, 44 and 19 are all on the field at the same time, there should be absolutely no reason the impending personnel should be readable to opposition.

From those 4 people, you should be able to run
  • wishbone splitback
  • 2-TE lead block I-formation
  • singleback 3-wide
  • empty backfield

without a single sub. And yet, we don't see it. Team should have a drive every game where they do hurry-up just because. Not for clock management, but to put the fear of god in opposing defenses because of the amorphous nature of the personnel. Kyle's been obsessed with positionless skill players since he got to Santa Clara and outside of the necessity of 2021, we almost never get to see that utilized. Partially because the O-Line is dogwater. But it's time to start doing something different with this scheme if the team is going to continue investing heavily into tweener players.

Investing all this money into a FB who tbh rarely ever pulls a defender away from the play on passes, a great receiving TE who spends 80% of snaps blocking, a WR/RB who doesn't want to rush, and a RB/WR who they constantly send between the tackles.

It's... baffling.
 

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but that's kinda the comedy. It's like Lynch and Shanahan are fundamentally at odds. The only way to get the rookies playing time is obligation, but if we are in a situation where it is obligatory that the coach play them, then it is a failing of the GM because there's a derth of depth. But if we have enough depth, then the GM's drafting looks subpar because we grab a bunch of guys to pay and sit and contribute nothing.

I just hope the team decides to get themselves a great T. Don't even get a college RT. Get a college LT that can play RT now and will move over to LT when Trent is gone. But that's an unsexy pick that I suspect won't get made because they'll try and look like they're doing something with the draft pick because of how quiet the team has been in FA.

It's just disheartening because all of the major playoff teams from last year have added at least a major piece to get them over the hump. And sure, the team can assume that without the injuries, last year woulda gone differently but... none of those injuries from last year are realistically going to be ready to go this year, and the team is about to go into this without even the scapegoat of a DC to blame.

Eagles seem to being going full-on offense at the cost of defense.
Chiefs finally got someone who might be able to be a threat on the outside.
Ravens... oh lawd Baltimore been moving.
And meanwhile. Here's SF. Their one big swing got curved. They've made cap space to keep people. But unless they plan on going into next year with a different philosophy installed... nothing tells me this team isn't going to be the same as last year, but a year older, trying to run the same stuff they were running against teams that have a whole year to get ready for it.

Deebo need to be in the backfield more often this year.
Not pitches or motions. I mean 2021 shyt. If 23, 85, 44 and 19 are all on the field at the same time, there should be absolutely no reason the impending personnel should be readable to opposition.

From those 4 people, you should be able to run
  • wishbone splitback
  • 2-TE lead block I-formation
  • singleback 3-wide
  • empty backfield

without a single sub. And yet, we don't see it. Team should have a drive every game where they do hurry-up just because. Not for clock management, but to put the fear of god in opposing defenses because of the amorphous nature of the personnel. Kyle's been obsessed with positionless skill players since he got to Santa Clara and outside of the necessity of 2021, we almost never get to see that utilized. Partially because the O-Line is dogwater. But it's time to start doing something different with this scheme if the team is going to continue investing heavily into tweener players.

Investing all this money into a FB who tbh rarely ever pulls a defender away from the play on passes, a great receiving TE who spends 80% of snaps blocking, a WR/RB who doesn't want to rush, and a RB/WR who they constantly send between the tackles.

It's... baffling.
the bolded isnt true. I dont know why people repeat this. kittle is running routes, and has ran routes often more than any WR
 

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the bolded isnt true. I dont know why people repeat this. kittle is running routes, and has ran routes often more than any WR
I'm talking the downs that matter; game on the line type shyt. Say, a 3rd-and-distance; more often than not he's in there flash-welded to McKivitz. On a team with Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk and CMC, we shouldn't need to rely on 3rd-and-Jauan. He's the fifth receiving option on a team lauded as offensive scheme brilliance. If we constantly need to get that deep in the bag, Kyle isn't who he's advertised as being.

Used to be, the game would be on the line and we get the Kittle catch and run against the Saints. Or a big conversion from a TE cross. But when they know the pressure is coming, he's doing a chip-fade instead of demanding the best coverage LB be in his hip pocket, even if just to yank a tackler away from a screen.

But it's moot. And I get what you mean. I'll just say... it's show and prove time for both TEs drafted last year. Only one even made it into games and when he did, his biggest impact was a rough penalty at a terrible time.
 

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