What month do you guys start your cut?

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

obviously the problem is when i try to cut fat, i inevitably end up cutting muscle as well so thats the dilemma.

This is the thing. IMO nikkas should only think about cutting when they have muscle they can afford to (temporarily) lose. First bulk should be like 3-4 YEARS, not a couple of months, especially if you are starting off small/skinny. I spent 3 years running around in circles on that bulk/cut shyt... now I'm just focused on building muscle and I'm finally making gains

 

[RTF]

4 years on a bulk?

This is the best article i've read on bulking:
"The solution of course is to simply alternate shorter periods of mass-gaining (let’s not use the term bulking since it seems to cause people so many mental problems) where the goal is maximal muscle gains while accepting small amounts of fat gain before dropping into a short dieting phase to strip off the fat without losing any of the muscle gain."

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

4 years on a bulk?

This is the best article i've read on bulking:
"The solution of course is to simply alternate shorter periods of mass-gaining (let’s not use the term bulking since it seems to cause people so many mental problems) where the goal is maximal muscle gains while accepting small amounts of fat gain before dropping into a short dieting phase to strip off the fat without losing any of the muscle gain."

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html

I fukks with Lyle McDonald heavy but I dont agree with this bird eating method of bulking. I feel like this is more aimed at advanced lifters than beginners or even intermediates. There's a lot of reasons why doing one long bulk and then one long cut from a beginner's standpoint makes way more sense than this bulk cut bullshyt.

- It takes way longer to gain a lb of muscle than to lose a lb of fat. So even if you gain a good amount of fat in a long bulk, it won't take anywhere near as long to shed that shyt. You figure the average dude will put on about 30-50lb of muscle MAX. I could see a dude doing that in 4-5 years with good diet and programming from scratch. If they put on another 30-50lb of fat, which is unlikely because they will make the most lean mass gains the first year, it doesn't matter because losing 50lb in a year is more than doable even with breaks.

- Every time you switch from bulking to cutting or back there is wasted time and "fake weight loss/gain" due to water/glycogen stores. So whenever you switch it's probably a good 2 or so weeks before you actually make actual progress. If you switch it up every time you feel like you're getting fat or feeling week you won't make any progress.

- Again it's way harder to gain muscle than lose fat. If you are in a steady surplus w/a decent fat cushion you are in an ideal state to build muscle.

Now theres two things I see that make the bird approach somewhat legit depending on the circumstance. If the bulk is negatively affecting your health, i.e. cholesterol etc, then yea the hulk bulk is not your wave. Also if you are deep into the game and maxed out on a few years of progress and already cut down (i.e. you dont have much more gains to collect; 1-2lb a year at most), it makes no fukking sense to eat in a surplus that will put 10, 20lb of weight on you because it will be all fat. But unless you are elite status (i.e. 18" arms, 350/450/550 club, <12% bodyfat) it makes no sense to be on some bird feed bulk bullshyt. Building muscle is a calorie intensive progress. Dudes gotta stop being afraid of fat. Dropping fat is easy; building muscle is the challenge.

 

[The ADD]

I fukks with Lyle McDonald heavy but I dont agree with this bird eating method of bulking. I feel like this is more aimed at advanced lifters than beginners or even intermediates. There's a lot of reasons why doing one long bulk and then one long cut from a beginner's standpoint makes way more sense than this bulk cut bullshyt.

- It takes way longer to gain a lb of muscle than to lose a lb of fat. So even if you gain a good amount of fat in a long bulk, it won't take anywhere near as long to shed that shyt. You figure the average dude will put on about 30-50lb of muscle MAX. I could see a dude doing that in 4-5 years with good diet and programming from scratch. If they put on another 30-50lb of fat, which is unlikely because they will make the most lean mass gains the first year, it doesn't matter because losing 50lb in a year is more than doable even with breaks.

- Every time you switch from bulking to cutting or back there is wasted time and "fake weight loss/gain" due to water/glycogen stores. So whenever you switch it's probably a good 2 or so weeks before you actually make actual progress. If you switch it up every time you feel like you're getting fat or feeling week you won't make any progress.

- Again it's way harder to gain muscle than lose fat. If you are in a steady surplus w/a decent fat cushion you are in an ideal state to build muscle.

Now theres two things I see that make the bird approach somewhat legit depending on the circumstance. If the bulk is negatively affecting your health, i.e. cholesterol etc, then yea the hulk bulk is not your wave. Also if you are deep into the game and maxed out on a few years of progress and already cut down (i.e. you dont have much more gains to collect; 1-2lb a year at most), it makes no fukking sense to eat in a surplus that will put 10, 20lb of weight on you because it will be all fat. But unless you are elite status (i.e. 18" arms, 350/450/550 club, <12% bodyfat) it makes no sense to be on some bird feed bulk bullshyt. Building muscle is a calorie intensive progress. Dudes gotta stop being afraid of fat. Dropping fat is easy; building muscle is the challenge.

For some people

 

[RTF]

I fukks with Lyle McDonald heavy but I dont agree with this bird eating method of bulking. I feel like this is more aimed at advanced lifters than beginners or even intermediates. There's a lot of reasons why doing one long bulk and then one long cut from a beginner's standpoint makes way more sense than this bulk cut bullshyt.

- It takes way longer to gain a lb of muscle than to lose a lb of fat. So even if you gain a good amount of fat in a long bulk, it won't take anywhere near as long to shed that shyt. You figure the average dude will put on about 30-50lb of muscle MAX. I could see a dude doing that in 4-5 years with good diet and programming from scratch. If they put on another 30-50lb of fat, which is unlikely because they will make the most lean mass gains the first year, it doesn't matter because losing 50lb in a year is more than doable even with breaks.

- Every time you switch from bulking to cutting or back there is wasted time and "fake weight loss/gain" due to water/glycogen stores. So whenever you switch it's probably a good 2 or so weeks before you actually make actual progress. If you switch it up every time you feel like you're getting fat or feeling week you won't make any progress.

- Again it's way harder to gain muscle than lose fat. If you are in a steady surplus w/a decent fat cushion you are in an ideal state to build muscle.

Now theres two things I see that make the bird approach somewhat legit depending on the circumstance. If the bulk is negatively affecting your health, i.e. cholesterol etc, then yea the hulk bulk is not your wave. Also if you are deep into the game and maxed out on a few years of progress and already cut down (i.e. you dont have much more gains to collect; 1-2lb a year at most), it makes no fukking sense to eat in a surplus that will put 10, 20lb of weight on you because it will be all fat. But unless you are elite status (i.e. 18" arms, 350/450/550 club, <12% bodyfat) it makes no sense to be on some bird feed bulk bullshyt. Building muscle is a calorie intensive progress. Dudes gotta stop being afraid of fat. Dropping fat is easy; building muscle is the challenge.

You haven't even read the article fam. You not even trying to listen to what is said.

"If you switch it up every time you feel like you're getting fat or feeling week you won't make any progress." Yeah dude says the lean gains ish won't work. His example is starting from 10% going to 15% bf over 4 months. Short cut cycle say 6 weeks.. back on the bulk.


But like I say, whatever works for you. i always want to look and feel somewhat athletic. I never want to 18% bf and I know I don't need to, to get to where I want to be.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

For some people

I mean even if that's difficult, it still applies. For brehs with trouble losing weight, maybe drop all the fat you can first and proceed with caution. But for skinny brehs fat gains are mandatory and not a big issue. Your body will help you out in getting rid of fat to get back to its natural setpoints

 

[dc007]

I fukks with Lyle McDonald heavy but I dont agree with this bird eating method of bulking. I feel like this is more aimed at advanced lifters than beginners or even intermediates. There's a lot of reasons why doing one long bulk and then one long cut from a beginner's standpoint makes way more sense than this bulk cut bullshyt.

- It takes way longer to gain a lb of muscle than to lose a lb of fat. So even if you gain a good amount of fat in a long bulk, it won't take anywhere near as long to shed that shyt. You figure the average dude will put on about 30-50lb of muscle MAX. I could see a dude doing that in 4-5 years with good diet and programming from scratch. If they put on another 30-50lb of fat, which is unlikely because they will make the most lean mass gains the first year, it doesn't matter because losing 50lb in a year is more than doable even with breaks.

- Every time you switch from bulking to cutting or back there is wasted time and "fake weight loss/gain" due to water/glycogen stores. So whenever you switch it's probably a good 2 or so weeks before you actually make actual progress. If you switch it up every time you feel like you're getting fat or feeling week you won't make any progress.

- Again it's way harder to gain muscle than lose fat. If you are in a steady surplus w/a decent fat cushion you are in an ideal state to build muscle.

Now theres two things I see that make the bird approach somewhat legit depending on the circumstance. If the bulk is negatively affecting your health, i.e. cholesterol etc, then yea the hulk bulk is not your wave. Also if you are deep into the game and maxed out on a few years of progress and already cut down (i.e. you dont have much more gains to collect; 1-2lb a year at most), it makes no fukking sense to eat in a surplus that will put 10, 20lb of weight on you because it will be all fat. But unless you are elite status (i.e. 18" arms, 350/450/550 club, <12% bodyfat) it makes no sense to be on some bird feed bulk bullshyt. Building muscle is a calorie intensive progress. Dudes gotta stop being afraid of fat. Dropping fat is easy; building muscle is the challenge.

I've been bulking for a year....i don't know about a 3/4 year bulk breh

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You haven't even read the article fam. You not even trying to listen to what is said.

"If you switch it up every time you feel like you're getting fat or feeling week you won't make any progress." Yeah dude says the lean gains ish won't work. His example is starting from 10% going to 15% bf over 4 months. Short cut cycle say 6 weeks.. back on the bulk.


But like I say, whatever works for you. i always want to look and feel somewhat athletic. I never want to 18% bf and I know I don't need to, to get to where I want to be.

His cycle is lean gains whether he calls it that or not. You break your bulk to cut down and stay lean. I've been bulking for about 6 months now... my BF is high but not that high. shyt is under control. The fat gain is not that serious. Different strokes for different folks, I agree, but if you want to get the shyt done as quickly as possible, 1 long bulk followed by 1 long cut is the way to do it