What is Black British culture?

Clive42

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just like like the girl from twitter that Op posted, there are plenty of examples of black brits on this very board that are in denial.

Well, first up with the twitter poster, thats one person out of 2mil who got arrogant on social media. Some on here do this too, so this may be the case online, but not in real life.

And I specifically said '100% black british made', meaning we have our own culture and local character, but most will admit that a bulk of it comes from other cultures. If you came here and spoke to the black population about it, they will deny some things, but you wont really find anyone here who thinks every last thing we do was started solely by us.

Its when claims that sound :patrice: are made that causes people over here to get defensive and 'in denial'. You are one of the few black americans Ive encountered on the internet that looks for facts about us first rather than just calling your opinion on us a 'fact'. Most black americans online will never do this, and tbf why should they? Looking for information requires time/dedication. However, the individuals that keep talking nonsense about us despite not being willing to do the necessary research is what fuels this. Their 'tea & crumpet' views on us means more to them than anything we say about our own lives. Some also brag about their lack of knowledge about us and how little they care about our existence (@Carolina more or less did this in the post above you), so why would black brits take claims about us seriously from posters like that? And the reason why black brits on here argue with your posts is because they are imo, very 'pro-AA' which will be seen as bias to some. Im not attacking you with that last point, im just explaining why I feel some british posters on here are 'in denial' over your posts.

aframs were known/mainstream in the UK, such as the people you mentioned but the stuff that black british youth's were seeking out from black america (what they call rare grove) wasn't mainstream even in the USA in the late 1970's early 1980's

how can we deny that this happened when we can see how black british music unfolded from the early 80's to present? Black Brits went from hiphop and obscure funk (rare groove) in the early 80's to Chicago House and NYC garage by the mid 80's. By the time the 90's came, Black Brits were always doing some spinoff/remixing of any and everything that came out of black america musically during the same time span and it continues as we speak. Today you have UK Drill acts and it's not like Drill music is all over TV/Radio. Drill music isn't even popular in the USA so I doubt it's mainstream in the UK but it's because they seeked it out.

I never said black british musicians didnt continue to copy/be influenced by black american music, just that most (but I accept not all) of the black american music copied after rare groove was mainstream over here rather than obscure. Plus, even if black brits seeked out an obscure part of black american culture, black american culture itself WASNT obscure in england so its not as if people were searching through something that was entirely unknown. You'd have a point if it were an obscure part of lets say, 'mexican' culture which never has had any prominence in the UK whatsoever. That was more or less my original point.

There are other factors which also helped black american culture spread to the the UK over the years that I think should be bought up. In recent years, the internet. You dont really have to search hard to find anything that blows up anywhere with a big enough population, seeing how advanced 'media connections' are these days. You brought up drill music, which is a subgenre of Hip hop which has needless to say, always been huge in the UK since it began. So anyone around the world paying attention to the american hip hop scene would've definitely got wind of drill if thats what is making a buzz over there. And hip hop fans worldwide will ALWAYS pay attention to the american hip hop scene, because why wouldnt they pay attention to the nation that birthed the art form. Same way manga fans will always focus on japan and kung fu fans will always focus on china. Youtube and social media are the main reasons why something like drill can never be obscure.

The next factor which I believe helped black american music spread to the UK outside of whats mainstream is the caribbean diaspora. Almost every caribbean person I know has family in the US and its likely thats the main reason why black people over here fly out there. Even i got family over there on my caribbean side, but Ive never met them. The US, UK & canada always top a caribbean citizen's destination list outisde of other caribbean nations. The local music in any caribbean hotspot in the US (New York, florida...) may have spread to Britain this way. This is just a theory that is worth considering, im not asserting obscure music definitely spread here due to this.

black brits tryna flex and take shots at a big part of their foundation is the only reason:shaq2:

I'd say 'evolution' is more accurate than 'foundation' :manny:.
 

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Its not Always you. no one is thinking about you. the only reason you guys got brought up in the first place is because some dumbass brits online like making comparisons to us for some reason.

And Nikkas point out our influence (on a global scale) all the time on this site. So we Don't have to start doing shyt as we've already been doing it.

Erm... No.

No group outside of the US is accused of 'tryna be like black americans' as much as we are. NONE. And with the other groups that get it also, it aint like thats the main criticism made towards them. But something along those lines will definitely be said about us almost everytime a black british thread is made. 'Dumbass brits' making comparisons only sometimes causes these accusations, not the norm.
 
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