What do you think about the points presented in this scene? (Violence/Human Nature)

[VerbalIntercourse]

Again, I saw a study where they removed these aggressive animals and the group became peaceful and loving of one another. No hierarchy, at least the way we see it, and everyone got along. I wish I can remember what it was but I can't but it was on pbs.

Again, you have to study the environment. Also, who is the one conducting the study because if you want to find violence being the way it's supposed to be, that is what you will find. I don't care because it doesn't change the fact in what I find in my own life, and that is the intelligent man who can use violence, and manipulation to protect himself against the crazy, power thirsty people will always be on top BUT on top doesn't mean being a king or having people adore you, but living in peace, and happiness which is eating good food, having good sex, and enjoying friends and family in good health. A narcissist person will look at me like I'm weak because they have a thirst for being a king, and the best but they usually aren't. I have seen violence first hand and it doesn't work in the long run, I don't care what a scientist states, I lived it. The one who can humble himself and work with others will always win in LIFE. I seen it firsthand.

you're making it too complex.

 

[daze23]

is that movie any good? (keep in mind I hate everything)

 

[Type Username Here]

is that movie any good? (keep in mind I hate everything)

I loved it. Don't know how much our tastes align though.

 

[bouncy]

you're making it too complex.

Isn't life complex?.

To put it simple, those animals may have brain disorders, and this is why they are behaving like that. The reason why they can take all the resources like the article states, is because they had something the others didn't and that was willing to hurt their fellow animals to get what they wanted, BUT that doesn't mean that way of doing things will always work in the long term. Once another animal can do the same thing BUT just to defend itself, and kill the animals causing problems in the territory, then aggressive violence would be unheard of because there would be no need to hurt one another as the cause of the problem has been eliminated.

I think the reason why we are even asking this question is because aggressive people/animals have been able to do their violence with no repercussions for years, so violence bred more violence, not because nature made us like this. What needs to happen is intelligent people need to learn how to fight, and control our egos so we can stop the aggression before it grows, and let society be a peaceful place. Unfortunately, most intelligent people are so scared to fight, and see blood, just with words and hurting peoples reputation that this won't happen at least in our time.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

i don't think intelligence has any bearing on innate aggressive behavior

I wasnt basing my opinion off of just aggressive behavior. There is evidence that they have "morals"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/20/science/20moral.html?pagewanted=all

I've heard of chimps mourning the death of other chimps. A sign of consciousness and awareness of being.

Even in that video op posted, at that very end of the video, if you watch, one chimp holds his hand out for meat, and then the other gives it to him after he was done chewing on it.

Regardless they are very intelligent...

 

[acri1]

I understand where you are coming from, but I feel you and the other posters took it a bit off course.

I was merely asking about discussing the various points the Warden made.

1) God gave us violence to wage in his honor.
2) Violence is inherent in nature and humans rely on society to provide an illusion that the aforementioned fact isn't so.
3) Violence, even in self defense is violence.

1. I'm still not sold on "god" existing, so I definitely can't make any meaningful comment on anything he might have "given" us or might want us to "do in his honor"

2. Yes, violence is inherent in nature to a certain degree, mainly due to competition for resources. As intelligent beings, that doesn't mean we should just give in and accept it just because it's "natural". Me sitting here and typing a message that humans thousands of miles away can see isn't "natural" either but it's useful. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good, or that it should be considered acceptable.

We should still do whatever we can do minimize violence, and in fact one of our ultimate goals should be a society with no violence.

3. I guess, but it's a case where most people would agree that violence is morally justifiable.

 

[Habit]

I understand where you are coming from, but I feel you and the other posters took it a bit off course.

I was merely asking about discussing the various points the Warden made.

1) God gave us violence to wage in his honor.
2) Violence is inherent in nature and humans rely on society to provide an illusion that the aforementioned fact isn't so.
3) Violence, even in self defense is violence.

But he makes a great point, though. Most people with low IQ are usually volatile and easily agitated. Its just how the brain works, cognition plays a vital role, or the rage center in the limbic system of the brain is easily activated in simple minded people. Then we have the sociopath, who simply has no conscience, but there are way more people with low IQ than there are sociopaths. So Allah would not support all the violence in the Middle East, but I don't know much about Jihad.

 

[Mowgli]

Amateur logic. Anyone reduced to fighting over the necessities of life will be violent. When there is an abundance, there is less violent. Because God created us we have the ability to be violent or civil. When man allows demonic filth to root itself among him he is punished with violence and when man roots good against demons, demons are punished violently. Violence is an ends to a means but the cac in this scene is making it like God is beating his spiritual deeznick to people getting smited. Its pathetic cac logic that im beyond because the truth is, They love violence, period, and use God as the reason to do what comes naturally, to them which is the opposite of civility.

 

[Mowgli]

is that movie any good? (keep in mind I hate everything)

Its trash. A movie about cacs in a looney bin. What more do you really need to know. Being subjected to the thoughts of lunatics for 2.5 hours. What an enlightening experience.

Stop it, its disgusting.

 

[Type Username Here]

1. I'm still not sold on "god" existing, so I definitely can't make any meaningful comment on anything he might have "given" us or might want us to "do in his honor"

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It isn't a question if you believe in god or not, but a point about the character's belief that his god feels honored by violence. That violence is somewhat noble. It doesn't mean I or you should believe it, but I thought it was interesting on a philosophical level.