What do Black people GAIN from NOT voting?

[FeverPitch2]

Serious question.
I am genuinely interested in your philosophy.
I wanna talk to the brehs and brehettes, not argue.

 

[North of Death]

Serious question. I am genuinely interested in your philosophy. I wanna talk to the brehs and brehettes, not argue.

Hava a talk with the God himself ...................................... .......................................................
Why I Won't Vote By W.E.B. Dubois, On October 20, 1956

W. E. B. Du Bois delivers this eloquent indictment of US politics while explaining to Nation readers why he won't vote in the upcoming Presidential election. Du Bois condemns both Democrats and Republicans for their indifferent positions on the influence of corporate wealth, racial inequality, arms proliferation and unaffordable health care. ......................

Since I was twenty-one in 1889, I have in theory followed the voting plan strongly advocated by Sidney Lens in The Nation of August 4, i.e., voting for a third party even when its chances were hopeless, if the main parties were unsatisfactory; or, in absence of a third choice, voting for the lesser of two evils. My action, however, had to be limited by the candidates' attitude toward Negroes. Of my adult life, I have spent twenty-three years living and teaching in the South, where my voting choice was not asked. I was disfranchised by law or administration. In the North I lived in all thirty-two years, covering eight Presidential elections. In 1912 I wanted to support Theodore Roosevelt, but his Bull Moose convention dodged the Negro problem and I tried to help elect Wilson as a liberal Southerner. Under Wilson came the worst attempt at Jim Crow legislation and discrimination in civil service that we had experienced since the Civil War. In 1916 I took Hughes as the lesser of two evils. He promised Negroes nothing and kept his word. In 1920, I supported Harding because of his promise to liberate Haiti. In 1924, I voted for La Follette, although I knew he could not be elected. In 1928, Negroes faced absolute dilemma. Neither Hoover nor Smith wanted the Negro vote and both publicly insulted us. I voted for Norman Thomas and the Socialists, although the Socialists had attempted to Jim Crow Negro members in the South. In 1932 I voted for Franklin Roosevelt, since Hoover was unthinkable and Roosevelt's attitude toward workers most realistic. I was again in the South from 1934 until 1944. Technically I could vote, but the election in which I could vote was a farce. The real election was the White Primary. Retired "for age" in 1944, I returned to the North and found a party to my liking. In 1948, I voted the Progressive ticket for Henry Wallace and in 1952 for Vincent Hallinan.

Read the rest here W.E.B. Dubois, I Won't Vote

 

[Big Boda]

1. the benefit of not getting used for nothing in return.
2. seeing how politicians act when they cant betray black americans anymore
3. self reliance and empowerment
4. rendering shills like OP powerless

 

[Cobalt Sire]

We had a million threads on this and I'm sure we'll have a million more asking the same question that was answered ages ago. You already know why people have this stance, you just don't like or agree with it. That's fine. Vote however you want. It's not going to change people's opinion.

People want something in return for their vote. When you negotiate, if you don't like the offer, you make a counter offer. If two parties can't agree on the terms, you walk away. We're focusing on voting locally, because there are tangible benefits to doing so. This country owes us. Maybe not you. For those of us that are owed, we're not going to let the issue die, ever.

 

[FeverPitch2]

1. the benefit of not getting used for nothing in return.
2. seeing how politicians act when they cant betray black americans anymore
3. self reliance and empowerment
4. rendering shills like OP powerless

I said I didn't want to argue but here you go.
I'm gonna let the rhetoric slide and ask you to elaborate on reason number 3.
How does wihthholding the vote lead to self reliance and empowerment for Black people exactly?

 

[kevm3]

You get parties actually attempting to court your vote instead of getting nothing in return. Do you buy a car from the first dealership or do you visit multiple dealerships and negotiate a price?

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

I don’t think you gain anything from not voting. I would never encourage anyone to not vote. I would encourage people to do what they want. But just cause someone doesn’t gain anything from not voting, that doesn’t mean they have to believe they do gain something from going to vote. That’s where the disconnect is. It’s always either or with a lot of y’all. Someone can not vote themselves, but not be against other people voting. I don’t vote. I’m not gonna vote. I’m not into that shyt. I simply don’t give a fukk about none of that political shyt. But I don’t think others should just not vote. If they have a candidate they wanna vote for, then they should go exercise their right.

What these conversations really come down to is, people want you to vote for their candidate. They don’t give a fukk if you not voting if you wasn’t gonna vote for they candidate anyway. They want you to vote…as long as you voting the same way as them. Otherwise, they don’t give a fukk about you exercising your right.

 

[FeverPitch2]

We had a million threads on this and I'm sure we'll have a million more asking the same question that was answered ages ago. You already know why people have this stance, you just don't like or agree with it. That's fine. Vote however you want. It's not going to change people's opinion.

People want something in return for their vote. When you negotiate, if you don't like the offer, you make a counter offer. If two parties can't agree on the terms, you walk away. We're focusing on voting locally, because there are tangible benefits to doing so. This country owes us. Maybe not you. For those of us that are owed, we're not going to let the issue die, ever.

I'm trying to clear out the hostility so that we can actually exchange ideas rather than insults.
If I wanted to roast y'all I would have just done that.
What tangible benefits of voting locally that you don't receive on federal level?

 

[killacal]

I don’t think you gain anything from not voting. I would never encourage anyone to not vote. I would encourage people to do what they want. But just cause someone doesn’t gain anything from not voting, that doesn’t mean they have to believe they do gain something from going to vote. That’s where the disconnect is. It’s always either or with a lot of y’all. Someone can not vote themselves, but not be against other people voting. I don’t vote. I’m not gonna vote. I’m not into that shyt. I simply don’t give a fukk about none of that political shyt. But I don’t think others should just not vote. If they have a candidate they wanna vote for, then they should go exercise their right.

What these conversations really come down to is, people want you to vote for their candidate. They don’t give a fukk if you not voting if you wasn’t gonna vote for they candidate anyway. They want you to vote…as long as you voting the same way as them. Otherwise, they don’t give a fukk about you exercising your right.

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[Son Goku]

You get parties actually attempting to court your vote instead of getting nothing in return. Do you buy a car from the first dealership or do you visit multiple dealerships and negotiate a price?

You can't negotiate a price at the first spot you go to?

 

[Son Goku]

Serious question.
I am genuinely interested in your philosophy.
I wanna talk to the brehs and brehettes, not argue.

Not voting is some c00n shyt, don't care how coli dudes try and spin it.

 

[FeverPitch2]

Hava a talk with the God himself ...................................... ....................................................... Why I Won't Vote By W.E.B. Dubois, The Nation, 20 October 1956 On October 20, 1956, W. E. B. Du Bois delivers this eloquent indictment of US politics while explaining to Nation readers why he won't vote in the upcoming Presidential election. Du Bois condemns both Democrats and Republicans for their indifferent positions on the influence of corporate wealth, racial inequality, arms proliferation and unaffordable health care. Since I was twenty-one in 1889, I have in theory followed the voting plan strongly advocated by Sidney Lens in The Nation of August 4, i.e., voting for a third party even when its chances were hopeless, if the main parties were unsatisfactory; or, in absence of a third choice, voting for the lesser of two evils. My action, however, had to be limited by the candidates' attitude toward Negroes. Of my adult life, I have spent twenty-three years living and teaching in the South, where my voting choice was not asked. I was disfranchised by law or administration. In the North I lived in all thirty-two years, covering eight Presidential elections. In 1912 I wanted to support Theodore Roosevelt, but his Bull Moose convention dodged the Negro problem and I tried to help elect Wilson as a liberal Southerner. Under Wilson came the worst attempt at Jim Crow legislation and discrimination in civil service that we had experienced since the Civil War. In 1916 I took Hughes as the lesser of two evils. He promised Negroes nothing and kept his word. In 1920, I supported Harding because of his promise to liberate Haiti. In 1924, I voted for La Follette, although I knew he could not be elected. In 1928, Negroes faced absolute dilemma. Neither Hoover nor Smith wanted the Negro vote and both publicly insulted us. I voted for Norman Thomas and the Socialists, although the Socialists had attempted to Jim Crow Negro members in the South. In 1932 I voted for Franklin Roosevelt, since Hoover was unthinkable and Roosevelt's attitude toward workers most realistic. I was again in the South from 1934 until 1944. Technically I could vote, but the election in which I could vote was a farce. The real election was the White Primary. Retired "for age" in 1944, I returned to the North and found a party to my liking. In 1948, I voted the Progressive ticket for Henry Wallace and in 1952 for Vincent Hallinan. Read the rest here W.E.B. Dubois, I Won't Vote W.E.B. Dubois, I Won't Vote

My question is what is gained by not voting.

 

[The Guru]

Nothing. The push for black people not to vote is orchestrated by Republicans.

 

[UpAndComing]

I don’t think you gain anything from not voting. I would never encourage anyone to not vote. I would encourage people to do what they want. But just cause someone doesn’t gain anything from not voting, that doesn’t mean they have to believe they do gain something from going to vote. That’s where the disconnect is. It’s always either or with a lot of y’all. Someone can not vote themselves, but not be against other people voting. I don’t vote. I’m not gonna vote. I’m not into that shyt. I simply don’t give a fukk about none of that political shyt. But I don’t think others should just not vote. If they have a candidate they wanna vote for, then they should go exercise their right.

What these conversations really come down to is, people want you to vote for their candidate. They don’t give a fukk if you not voting if you wasn’t gonna vote for they candidate anyway. They want you to vote…as long as you voting the same way as them. Otherwise, they don’t give a fukk about you exercising your right.

It's 2022 and Black people still vote for Political Parties instead of Policies. Every other race gets this but us, sad

Until we stop doing this, we will forever be Pawns

 

[FeverPitch2]

You get parties actually attempting to court your vote instead of getting nothing in return. Do you buy a car from the first dealership or do you visit multiple dealerships and negotiate a price?

The question is what do we gain from withdrawing from the political process?
Using your example, if you withdrew from the process of car ownership, does that get you efficient transport equal or superior to owning your own vehicle?

 

[Tom Foolery]

Leverage within the party.