Why are you giddy about people committing suicide. It's so demonic.
What A Surprise: Atheists Have Highest SUICIDE Rate.
- Thread starter Mowgli
- Start date
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
Slaimon Khan Shah
SLAIMON KHAN SHAH = SHAOLIN MONK/S OF ISLAAM
IT ALSO SAYS IN THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN, THAT ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION ACCEPTED BY THE CREATOR. THAT'S WHY I URGE EVERYONE TO LIVE A LIFE OF ISLAM.
SURAH 3 AYAT 85 And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????
hear that hoegli?
also, how does this article distinguish whether or not the people committing suicide are atheists, and how does it prove that they committed suicide because they were athiests?
weak excuse of a joke.
Fillerguy
Veteran
You're cherry picking. I wonder where picked that skill up atLook at you clowns.
According to a recent study published in The American Journal of Psychiatry religious affiliation is associated with significantly lower levels of suicide compared to religiously unaffiliated people, atheists and agnostics. Source: Kanita Dervic, Maria A. Oquendo, Michael F. Grunebaum, Steve Ellis, Ainsley K. Burke, and J. John Mann. "Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt" (161:2303-2308, December 2004).
Full article online: PsychiatryOnline | American Journal of Psychiatry | Religious Affiliation and Suicide Attempt
ABSTRACT:
OBJECTIVE: Few studies have investigated the association between religion and suicide either in terms of Durkheim's social integration hypothesis or the hypothesis of the regulative benefits of religion. The relationship between religion and suicide attempts has received even less attention.
METHOD: Depressed inpatients (N=371) who reported belonging to one specific religion or described themselves as having no religious affiliation were compared in terms of their demographic and clinical characteristics.
RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found.
CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.
Pitzer College sociologist Phil Zuckerman compiled country-by-country survey, polling and census numbers relating to atheism, agnosticism, disbelief in God and people who state they are non-religious or have no religious preference. These data were published in the chapter titled "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns" in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism.
It is important to keep in mind that atheism and agnosticism have no inherent proscription against suicide, so higher rates of suicide among agnostics and atheists should in no way be considered a failure of these belief systems. Indeed, compassionate tolerance for suicide and euthenasia are widely regarded as hallmarks of many secular societies.
The list of countries with the highest levels of atheism, agnosticism and non-belief in God (see: Largest Atheist Populations, reporting lists by Zuckerman, 2005, and Greeley/Jagodzinski, 1991) strongly correlates with countries that have the most liberal (or "progressive") laws, policies and practices regarding right-to-die, assisted suicide, and euthenasia for infants, the terminally ill, chronic pain sufferers, the handicapped, and depressed individuals. Zuckerman (2005) listed the top countries with the highest levels of atheism and non-religiousness as: Sweden, Vietnam, Denmark, Norway, Japan, Czech Republic, Finland, France, South Korea, Estonia, Germany, Russia, Hungary, Netherlands, Britain and Belgium (highest by level of non-belief, with Sweden being the highest).
A report last updated 1 March 2005 about assisted suicide (Assisted Suicide Laws Around the World, compiled by Derek Humphry, former editor of World Right-to-Die Newsletter) summarizes the situation in these proportionately more atheist/agnostic countries:
...Sweden [ranked #1 on the list of countries with the highest proportion of atheists/agnostics] has no law specifically proscribing assisted suicide...
Norway [ranke #4 ] has criminal sanctions against assisted suicide by using the charge "accessory to murder"... A retired Norwegian physician, Christian Sandsdalen, was found guilty of wilful murder in 2000. He admitted giving an overdose of morphine to a woman chronically ill after 20 years with MS who begged for his help... Dr. Sandsdalen died at 82 and his funeral was packed with Norway's dignitaries, which is consistent with the support always given by intellectuals to euthanasia.
Finland [ranked #7 ] has nothing in its criminal code about assisted suicide. Sometimes an assister will inform the law enforcement authorities of him or her of having aided someone in dying, and provided the action was justified, nothing more happens. Mostly it takes place among friends...
Germany [ranked #1 1] has had no penalty for either suicide or assisted suicide since 1751...
France [ranked #8 ] does not have a specific law banning assisted suicide, but such a case could be prosecuted under 223-6 of the Penal Code for failure to assist a person in danger. Convictions are rare and punishments minor...
Denmark [ranked #3 ] has no specific law banning assisted suicide...
In England and Wales [ranked #1 5] there is a possibility of up to 14 years imprisonment for anybody assisting a suicide. Oddly, suicide itself is not a crime, having been decriminalized in 1961. Thus it is a crime to assist in a non-crime. In Britain, no case may be brought without the permission of the Director of Public Prosecutions in London, which rules out hasty, local police prosecutions... there have been eight Bills or Amendments introduced into Parliament between 1936-2003, all trying to modify the law to allow careful, hastened death. None has succeeded, but the Joffe Bill currently before Parliament is getting more serious consideration than any similar measure...
Hungary [ranked #1 3] has one of the highest suicide rates in the world... Assistance in suicide or attempted suicide is punishable by up to five years imprisonment. Euthanasia practiced by physicians was ruled as illegal by Hungary's Constitutional Court (April 2003), eliciting this stinging comment from the journal Magyar Hirlap: "Has this theoretically hugely respectable body failed even to recognize that we should make legal what has become practice in everyday life."
...in Estonia [ranked #1 0]... lawmakers say that as suicide is not punishable the assistance in suicide is also not punishable.
The only four places that today openly and legally, authorize active assistance in dying of patients, are:
1. Oregon [the U.S. state with the highest proportion of self-described non-religious residents] (since l997, physician-assisted suicide only);
2. Switzerland [ranked #23 ] (1941, physician and non-physician assisted suicide only);
3. Belgium [ranked #1 6] (2002, permits 'euthanasia' but does not define the method;
4. Netherlands [ranked #1 4] (voluntary euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide lawful since April 2002 but permitted by the courts since l984)...
Japan [ranked #5 ] has medical voluntary euthanasia approved by a high court in l962 in the Yamagouchi case, but instances are extremely rare... The Japan Society for Dying with Dignity is the largest right-to-die group in the world with more than 100,000 paid up members
Must be hard out there, all alone.
Religion and Suicide: Religious Affiliation, Atheism, Suicide Life is hard hug me
What's the point of this thread honestly ?
The study says that non religions :
- are less married (marriage is sacred in religion ain't it ?)
- have fewer reasons for living (paradise and hell being two already)
- have fewer moral objections to suicide, idealize suicide more often, attempts to suicide more often (suicide is forbidden)
- and use drugs more often (being high is not tolerated in monotheistic religions)
I mean that's all open doors so why is it a surprise again ?
[TROLL MODE ON]
Buuuut there is something on the low that may have flown above some heads, because I can see the study a little differently...
- On 371 DEPRESSED inpatients there were 305 religious ones and 66 non religious ones (ie agnostics, atheists, spirituals people as VVD stated before) : easy conclusion, don't y'all see ? Higher depression rate in religious people.
But more in the same study :
Nah but really, this study doesn't state anything that is not known already.
And suicide is not necessarely shameful (well no to religious heads oviously), in some cultures it was an act of bravery, honor or responsability (or both)...
You @Mowgli who is an avid Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, you should know that your martial arts is based on a japanese one, and in Japan a kamikaze mission, a banzai charge or a seppuku where highly honorable...
The study says that non religions :
- are less married (marriage is sacred in religion ain't it ?)
- have fewer reasons for living (paradise and hell being two already)
- have fewer moral objections to suicide, idealize suicide more often, attempts to suicide more often (suicide is forbidden)
- and use drugs more often (being high is not tolerated in monotheistic religions)
I mean that's all open doors so why is it a surprise again ?
[TROLL MODE ON]
Buuuut there is something on the low that may have flown above some heads, because I can see the study a little differently...
- On 371 DEPRESSED inpatients there were 305 religious ones and 66 non religious ones (ie agnostics, atheists, spirituals people as VVD stated before) : easy conclusion, don't y'all see ? Higher depression rate in religious people.
But more in the same study :
[TROLL MODE OFF]
Nah but really, this study doesn't state anything that is not known already.
And suicide is not necessarely shameful (well no to religious heads oviously), in some cultures it was an act of bravery, honor or responsability (or both)...
You @Mowgli who is an avid Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, you should know that your martial arts is based on a japanese one, and in Japan a kamikaze mission, a banzai charge or a seppuku where highly honorable...
Last edited by a moderator:
the mechanic
Greasy philosophy
Mowgli is really getting all moist over study on suicide rates of mentally ill people...Here is the actual data if you read the study
Even they admit the sample is small ,margin of error is high and the data collection left alot to be desited
You did notice that the number of religious people with mental illness in this study was FIVE TIMES HIGHER....perhaps that should be the thread title....what dyou say jungle book
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
You're cherry picking. I wonder where picked that skill up at
Looks like something he learned in KTL. You atheists should believe in God though so you can bring those demonic statistics down a bit. Killling youself is pointless.
Another frightening stat that goes along with this one is the fact that statistically atheists are less happy in general than people who believe in God. To me this makes sense because when God is not with you, it doesnt feel good in the chess of friends. When the devil takes root in your chest obviously, its going to feel bad.
Its so demonic.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
More frightening information about atheists.
"Studies on a group of American and Canadian university students found that they believe "atheists more representative of a "criminally untrustworthy" person than Christians, Muslims, gay men, feminists or Jews, the study said. Only rapists were found to be more untrustworthy."
When people trust a sodomite over you, its obvious how the world sees you. As demons. This makes sense because well, you have a demonic philosophy, which is so demonic, friends.
"Studies on a group of American and Canadian university students found that they believe "atheists more representative of a "criminally untrustworthy" person than Christians, Muslims, gay men, feminists or Jews, the study said. Only rapists were found to be more untrustworthy."
When people trust a sodomite over you, its obvious how the world sees you. As demons. This makes sense because well, you have a demonic philosophy, which is so demonic, friends.
Nice spin. Jumping off a roof because you cant handle life is now honorable.What's the point of this thread honestly ?
The study says that non religions :
- are less married (marriage is sacred in religion ain't it ?)
- have fewer reasons for living (paradise and hell being two already)
- have fewer moral objections to suicide, idealize suicide more often, attempts to suicide more often (suicide is forbidden)
- and use drugs more often (being high is not tolerated in monotheistic religions)
I mean that's all open doors so why is it a surprise again ?
[TROLL MODE ON]
Buuuut there is something on the low that may have flown above some heads, because I can see the study a little differently...
- On 371 DEPRESSED inpatients there were 305 religious ones and 66 non religious ones (ie agnostics, atheists, spirituals people as VVD stated before) : easy conclusion, don't y'all see ? Higher depression rate in religious people.
But more in the same study :
[TROLL MODE OFF]
Nah but really, this study doesn't state anything that is not known already.
And suicide is not necessarely shameful (well no to religious heads oviously), in some cultures it was an act of bravery, honor or responsability (or both)...
You @Mowgli who is an avid Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, you should know that your martial arts is based on a japanese one, and in Japan a kamikaze mission, a banzai charge or a seppuku where highly honorable...
Just because i know brazillian jiujitsu doesnt mean i give a fukk about all that corny japanese spiritual bullshyt.
Last edited by a moderator:
“A true suicide is a paced, disciplined certainty. People pontificate, "Suicide is selfishness." Career churchmen like Mowgli go a step further and call in a cowardly assault on the living. Oafs argue this specious line for varying reason: to evade fingers of blame, to impress one's audience with one's mental fiber, to vent anger, or just because one lacks the necessary suffering to sympathize. Cowardice is nothing to do with it - suicide takes considerable courage. Japanese have the right idea. No, what's selfish is to demand another to endure an intolerable existence, just to spare families, friends, and enemies a bit of soul-searching. The only selfishness lies in ruining strangers' days by forcing 'em to witness a grotesqueness.”
Last edited by a moderator:
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
I don't think it's an easy thing to kill yourself. Many people feel like they want to but when they get down to that moment they don't have the balls to do it. Cowardice really isn't the correct term to describe it. Especially since every situation is different.Clever words to explain cowardice.