I think Harbaugh would be a good fit for the Texans. But I don't want that to happen because fukk the Texans 
What a great day. Jim Harbaugh officially signs extension with scUM
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Piff Perkins
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No excuses. Michigan State has beaten Ohio State and won the Big Ten twice in the last decade. PSU beat OSU on the road to a Big Ten championship within the last five years. There is no excuse for Harbaugh.
A better coach would have Michigan in place to win the conference IMO. I don't think these players are being coached up like they could. And the coordinators are weak.
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I actually feel the opposite. I think they should keep being arrogant as fukk, except do whatever it takes to be elite again. Enough of the tough talk, and back that shyt up.
Piff Perkins
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But they can't do that because both of those things are directly tied together. Michigan lives off this idea that they are better than you, they don't operate like everyone else, they don't pay players, you have to actually get in the school etc. Lowering those standards in order to win would be them surrendering the only thing they get to brag about (academic superiority, integrity etc). They'll beat around the bush, like hiring a recruit's dad to take some wack job where he's getting paid in exchange for his son coming to the school. But that's about it.
These people are elitist a$$holes. I've been around them for much of my life. Even when losing to OSU they sit back and say "well, THEY cheat and we don't." Yea ok. Meanwhile Michigan State (temporarily) built a program that was competing for Big Ten championships and playoff spots with 2 and 3 star recruits. When you tell your players that they are superior to other people because "we are Michigan" you make it very hard for them to react correctly after getting popped in the mouth. And we see this yearly. This team gives up when faced with a team they cannot bully.
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Which means you’re wrong as usualYou aint wrong
malbaker86
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DropTopDoc
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it’s not, and i can’t argue too much, shyt has to change, but I’ll offer two points, not everyone can beat the big bad wolf of their conference, and when the big bad wolf happens to be your rival, you will never get the same game, and those loses were more so caught them slipping not throttled them
we've at least won our division and beaten our rivals recently
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Heavy_Handz
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Jets gonna panic & give him Gruden money to coach there 
I agree with your other post but not this one. Michigan fans themselves have nothing to do with how the players are coached up and how they play. Harbaugh’s first few years, the only team that they couldn’t beat was OSU and they had the lead on them and collapsed in back to back years. That’s a coaching issue. The issue isn’t recruiting (sans d line recently) or attitude of the players that they get. It’s a coaching issue and culture of the administration at time. Don’t sit here and pretend that the Alabama boosters, OSU boosters or wherever else aren’t a bunch of elitist old money white guys. You can call Michigan alumni pretentious whatever else you want but no one the average economic background of an OSU student is higher than at any other university in the state of Ohio and you don’t see them competing with Cincinnati for recruits. As a matter of fact, I’d bet that the economic background of an OSU student is closer to that of a Michigan student than at any point in history. People need to stop letting whatever personal grievance they have with people they may have met effect their analysis of the program. Michigan is where it is because they missed of the Rich Rod hire and never gave him the resources and then have been playing catch-up ever since. Hoke had all the administration support but was in over his head and his struggles in other places since then prove that. By the time Michigan starts doing what their competitors are doing, they are off doing something else. You never watch Michigan and feel like any set they run is cutting edge or ahead of the curve. Michigan essentially was a decade behind its nearest competitors in everything but talent when Jim got there. He then kept losing coordinators and starting over every other year with no semblance of a coherent system. He hasn’t made any players better since 2016 when everyone on that team was noticeably better once his staff came in.
DropTopDoc
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i have to agree with some of your points, especially the open one, I’ll interject this point, Michigan just has to decide are we about football or total academics, piff alluded to it, and I’ve said it too. Jim didn’t clip cords they went and got their opportunities, so we couldn’t keep them, and sometimes you can put folks in a position but for whatever reason it doesn’t gel ( i think of pep, his offense got Justin Herbert 30 Tds, but he could not find his groove at Michigan) harbaugh is still sending kids to the league first round on down so we are developing talent, i think missing on qbs has hurt us, and dumb luck a couple games we could have won, if the ball literally bounced another way. We have also missed on other talent, and some kids are goofy enough to think just winning is what makes the kids come to a school, i mean it helps but the elite come because they were incentivized
i have to agree with some of your points, especially the open one, I’ll interject this point, Michigan just has to decide are we about football or total academics, piff alluded to it, and I’ve said it too. Jim didn’t clip cords they went and got their opportunities, so we couldn’t keep them, and sometimes you can put folks in a position but for whatever reason it doesn’t gel ( i think of pep, his offense got Justin Herbert 30 Tds, but he could not find his groove at Michigan) harbaugh is still sending kids to the league first round on down so we are developing talent, i think missing on qbs has hurt us, and dumb luck a couple games we could have won, if the ball literally bounced another way. We have also missed on other talent, and some kids are goofy enough to think just winning is what makes the kids come to a school, i mean it helps but the elite come because they were incentivized
Piff Perkins
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We're going to disagree on the mentality and culture. I think it's toxic and it's not just the players, it's the fans. The arrogance and entitlement over a team that has largely achieved nothing on the national level since black people were allowed to play the sport. The disrespect the team shows its opponents, especially Michigan State. The way they make excuses for losses to OSU. The delusion in thinking this is a top tier program like Bama, Clemson, etc because of shyt that happened decades ago.
This idea that a "major" problem is being held back because of a hiring decision from over a decade ago is wrong, come on. I definitely agree Rich Rod was done dirty and the program suffered. And while Hoke was out of his element, he clearly was a good recruiter. Harbaugh had some success with his players. Since then it's been a disaster and it's 100% on Harbaugh. He's the one who shuffles through coordinators. He's the one who kept trying to skip developing a QB, instead relying on average or sub par transfer QBs. This year's failures can largely be tied back to him committing to Shae again, instead of getting the younger guys some much needed experience. He wants a quick fix and is trying to half ass this thing, when it's going to take a massive effort.
You mention Michigan being behind, yet Harbaugh is the one who insisted on an archaic offense. And he's the one who sat back and watched Don Brown do nothing to improve the defense against pretty basic pass concepts. Harbaugh has had ample time to fix this and he failed. He should have been fired or let go. A serious program would have done that. This team is 100% his, and he should live with that. What changes next year? OSU will still be better. Wisconsin will still be better. Indiana and Northwestern will be challenging. And while I'd expect us to beat MSU next season, Tucker clearly has that program back on the right course. Another 8-9 win season is not going to be excusable...yet that's what is going to happen.
