Was Satan in charge of music in heaven

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Also in Isaiah, the first verse says O Lucifer son of the morning. So it clearly does mention who it is referencing.

Just in case I gave you the wrong scripture it's Isaiah 14 chapter starting at verse 12

Mine doesn't say that. Mine says: "O Day Star, son of Dawn!"

I assume you're using the King James? As far as I know that's the only translation that uses the word Lucifer as a proper name.
 

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lucifer is latin for morning star

nowhere in the bible does it state lucifer is satan or the devil

it's misconception based on a verse that if read out of context, you would think was talking about satan

put if you people keep saying something long enough, everyone believes it, and this is proof of it

1 John 3:8
Revelation 9:1
Revelation 12:9
Luke 10:18
Isiah 14:12-15
 

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This is certainly true, but there's no good reason to believe that this is about the literal garden of Eden. Similar language is used in Ezekiel 31:18 about Assyria. Assyria certainly wasn't in Eden.

You are right. Assyria was not in Eden, but it was compared to Eden.
Ch 31 as you referred to, is simply using the garden of Eden to paint a picture of the might and beauty of the nation of Assyria.
V18 - "Which of the trees of Eden can be compared with you in splendor and majesty?"
He's simply describing the majesty of this nation. You stand taller and mightier than even the trees of Eden - is basically what
Ezekiel is pointing out.

I think the word perfect here applies to the city of Tyre. In Ezekiel 27:3 it says, "O Tyre, you have said 'I am perfect in beauty'". This seems to be a mere the cognition of Tyre's previous state. BTW, the word perfect is used of men in the bible. Job is referred to as perfect (Job 2:3). David is said to have a "perfect heart" (1 Kings 11:4) even though he was a murderer and adulterer. It's hyperbole.

The king of Tyre declared this saying "I am perfect". He became prideful which is why these scriptures precede the account of Lucifers fall.

And yes the word perfect is used to describe certain individuals but this is where true bible study comes into play.

Remember, the old testament was written originally in Hebrew. The Hebrew word for "perfect" is "tam". Now "tam" also means "perfect", "upright" & "blameless". I hate Hebrew. So when you see this being used in Job for example, perfect simply means he was a holy man who loved and feared the Lord. He lived upright and was blameless, meaning he was a righteous man.


Same with David. He was an adulterer and a murderer as you mentioned. But he repented and had a pure heart and was very sorrowful over his sin. So much so, he penned the entire book of Psalms. It wasn't hyperbole at all. David really did have a perfect heart because he wholeheartedly loved the Lord and desired to please Him.

Mine doesn't say that. Mine says: "O Day Star, son of Dawn!"

I assume you're using the King James? As far as I know that's the only translation that uses the word Lucifer as a proper name.

Yes. I strictly use the King James version because I try to get as close to original text as possible. I don't trust all of these different re-wordings and translations.
 

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So why does music move us so

the best way i've seen it explained - put your hand in front (not on) of a speaker with heavy bass...you can literally feel it. our bodies work off of frequencies/energies. the music has a major impact on your mind. that's why certain music (even without lyrics) can evoke different emotions.

the beats per minute also play a huge part...
 

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Man, do ya'll really not see the symbolism in the bible? It's not to be taken verbatim!! Argh this is so frustrating when mufukkas post quotes straight from the bible to prove something is true, but TOTALLY miss the symbolic nature in which the story is being told, lol.

Ok, so we know the story of Lucifer and we pretty much have an idea of how music impacts us....Lets apply the symbolism to modern day life and actually draw a conclusion, teach a lesson, make a parallel or something! Quit with all the fear mongering and literal takes, its symbolism.

So Lucifer was covered in stones, reflecting the light of God so people bowed...blah, blah, blah...he got big-headed, thought he was on the same level as God...God was not amused.
Modern day musical equivalent..."nikka yeah you might be shining, but you ain't the sun"
Moral of the story (Artist's Perspective)....If you make music, and your fans adore you, never lose sight of the fact that what they adore is the God in you and not you yourself. No matter how big of a star you are, you ain't the Sun.
Moral of the story (Worshiper/Fan's Perspective)...Appreciate the fact that you may recognize the God within someone you hold highly, but however it makes you feel, just know that they ain't God, so don't treat them like they're God.

The story of Lucifer is more about us than it's about Lucifer or a Devil or a Satanic being, but that's where we always get caught up cuz we don't recognize our own power. It can be applied to anything we "worship", not just music :manny:
:what:the story meant both ways breh, my gawd yall slow:gucci:
 

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You are right. Assyria was not in Eden, but it was compared to Eden.
Ch 31 as you referred to, is simply using the garden of Eden to paint a picture of the might and beauty of the nation of Assyria.
V18 - "Which of the trees of Eden can be compared with you in splendor and majesty?"
He's simply describing the majesty of this nation. You stand taller and mightier than even the trees of Eden - is basically what
Ezekiel is pointing out.



The king of Tyre declared this saying "I am perfect". He became prideful which is why these scriptures precede the account of Lucifers fall.

And yes the word perfect is used to describe certain individuals but this is where true bible study comes into play.

Remember, the old testament was written originally in Hebrew. The Hebrew word for "perfect" is "tam". Now "tam" also means "perfect", "upright" & "blameless". I hate Hebrew. So when you see this being used in Job for example, perfect simply means he was a holy man who loved and feared the Lord. He lived upright and was blameless, meaning he was a righteous man.


Same with David. He was an adulterer and a murderer as you mentioned. But he repented and had a pure heart and was very sorrowful over his sin. So much so, he penned the entire book of Psalms. It wasn't hyperbole at all. David really did have a perfect heart because he wholeheartedly loved the Lord and desired to please Him.



Yes. I strictly use the King James version because I try to get as close to original text as possible. I don't trust all of these different re-wordings and translations.

so simple but some of them cant understand so try to discredited the bible like idiots they are
 

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Music is strictly forbidden in Islam due to the fact that music has the ability to transform the mind of its listener
Music is essentially a form of Magick,
when you're listening to music, you're listening to a spell.:francis:

Magick isn't hocus pocus shyt btw, it's a real distortion of reality through will and is again strictly forbidden by God as it ALWAYS leads to someone sacrificing something.
So for example, if you do some magick to get rich, it'll come at the cost of something else. This is Newtonian in principle as for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.
God strictly forbids it because when you're carrying out this Magick, you're essentially calling upon the aid of Jinns.



Jinns are other dimensional beings made from smokeless fire that we CANNOT see, these are the "demons", "ghosts" ect
God has placed a veil upon the eyes of humans and scientifically we know we only see a fraction of electromagnetic waves as visible light
Those that call upon the Jinns often have to do rituals in which they commit blasphemy in exchange for what they want.

You can call it mumbo jumbo but this is true metaphysical science, the people in charge take this stuff very seriously :manny:

i hear you breh and i understand it from your Muslim perspective. i agree with your post except i dont think its bad or should be forbidden. there's "good" and "bad" , "light" and "dark" in everything on earth. it's how earth balances itself out.
 

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You got folks like bytch ass Clive Davis buying up Whitney's last album, proclaiming a comeback then putting her on ice cause he was afraid that she wouldn't be able to recoup his investment due to the recurring problems with her voice and other personal issues. He made money off her demise when her album sales spiked due to her death.
:ohhh:Breh, I was just thinking about some of the events that led to MJ's death today. Those fools knew he wasn't fit to do a 50 date tour like that. Hence the $50 million insurance policy AIG took out on him :sas2:.

Him agreeing to the tour led to him aggravating his already fukked up back, which led to the Demerol injections that he got hooked on, which led to the insomnia that he had as a result of the withdrawal he suffered from when they took him off of it, which led to him using Propofol to sleep, which caused his cardiac arrest.

The British ME that reenacted his autopsy was furious that he was allowed to still do the tour instead of being put into rehab. Those demons didn't care. Just as you pointed out with Whitney, they were going to get their money one way or another. The entertainment industry is so demonic friends :sitdown:
 

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Yes. Before he became the satan as we call him, He was chief angel Lucifer and served in the throne room of God. His body was made of heavenly stones and jewels and timbres and pipes. These vibrant stones reflected the light and glory of God everywhere Lucifer went.

When the angels would see these stones and jewels encrusted in his being, they would fall to their knees and worship God as the jewels reminded them of the glory of God. Lucifers body would emit music as others worshiped, thus he is known as the father of music or the first musician.

However, it went to his head as he would always see angels bowing in worship when he was near and he took that as they were bowing to him. He became prideful and tried to exalt himself above God. Biggest mistake he ever made.
Sounds like a pretty cool guy :obama:
 

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He did. Gravediggerz
:ohhh: one of my homeboys copped their cassette back in the day. We were in the basement chilling and his moms comes down sees the case and started bugging. Get this satanic filth out my house, praying, the whole nine. We didn't see anything wrong with it. I just thought she was bugging cuz she was Pentecostal, and I always thought that they were weirdos.
 

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yes. and he was bad at it, that's why god fired him :francis:
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Aren't Lucifer and Satan 2 different fallen angels? Serious question
Lucifer means light bringer. It was actually a nickname for Jesus. Then Dante took the term and flipped it in his books as a term for Satan, and so idiots started calling Satan Lucifer. Satan was only a angel in the book of Job.
 
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