Was King Tut Black or Arabic?

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Ancient Egyptians were dark, but not black. That they may have been subject to the same maladies as Africans is at best inconclusive evidence that they're related.

Not to mention scientists and historians themselves have claimed that they don't know exactly what ancient Egyptians were, only that they weren't wholly black in their genealogy. Certainly not "most def" black.
 

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Ancient Egyptians were dark, but not black. That they may have been subject to the same maladies as Africans is at best inconclusive evidence that they're related.

Not to mention scientists and historians themselves have claimed that they don't know exactly what ancient Egyptians were, only that they weren't wholly black in their genealogy. Certainly not "most def" black.


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Do you have proof that the Ancient Egyptians were not African and not related to other modern day Africans? Because most sources I read state the opposite.

"Related" is an ambiguois term and as I stated earlier, evidence shows that they shared traits in common with black Africans at the time, but we're distinct.

However, claiming them to be simply "African" isa self-obvious don't you think? Egypt is an African country so undoubtedly as its natives, we're African. But the question is whether King Tut was a Black African, and the answer to that is no.
 

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And the proof is in the pudding. It's been recognized that North Africans are distinct from the rest of the continent ethnically and racially. Were there actual black Africans living in Egypt at the time? Yes, so there were Egyptians who had mixed with blood. Just as I am today, my mother's family is pure northern Egyptian, while my father's is southern and has actual black African roots.
 

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"Related" is an ambiguois term and as I stated earlier, evidence shows that they shared traits in common with black Africans at the time, but we're distinct.

However, claiming them to be simply "African" isa self-obvious don't you think? Egypt is an African country so undoubtedly as its natives, we're African. But the question is whether King Tut was a Black African, and the answer to that is no.

What is Black African?

If you have dark skin, you are Black.

Nubian does not mean Black exclusively and Bantus don't specifically descend from them.
 

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King Tut was Black.

I see a lot of people erroneously saying Cleopatra was Black. There's no evidence for that. The only ancestry we know she had was Greek, since we know who most of her ancestors were (the Greek conquerors of Egypt) and thus white. She MAY have been mixed, and so part Black, but there is currently no evidence for it and a decent amount of evidence against it (her family was notoriously racist and fond of inbreeding.)
 
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Having dark skin and being black are not mutually inclusive. And being "Black African" doesn't necessarily allude to simply skin color. There are a number of traits outside of the shade of your skin that play into race. Not to mention Ancient Egyptians were by no means all black in color my friend.
 

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Having dark skin and being black are not mutually inclusive. And being "Black African" doesn't necessarily allude to simply skin color. There are a number of traits outside of the shade of your skin that play into race. Not to mention Ancient Egyptians were by no means all black in color my friend.

So explain to me what is Black?

And not all Black people are dark/black and AE were definitely not White.
 

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"Related" is an ambiguois term and as I stated earlier,

How??? Elaborate?

evidence shows that they shared traits in common with black Africans at the time, but we're distinct.
Explain how they were "distinct"?

Because sources I read state this:

Previous analyses of cranial variation found the Badari and Early Predynastic Egyptians to be more similar to other African groups than to Mediterranean or European populations(Keita, 1990; Zakrzewski, 2002). In addition, the Badarians have been described as near the centroid of cranial and dental variation among Predynastic and Dynastic populations studied (Irish, 2006; Zakrzewski, 2007). This suggests that, at least through the Early Dynastic period, the inhabitants of the Nile valley were a continuous population of local origin, and no major migration or replacement events occurred during this time.

Studies of cranial morphology also support the use of a Nubian (Kerma) population for a comparison of the Dynastic period, as this group is likely to be more closely genetically related to the early Nile valley inhabitants than would be the Late Dynastic Egyptians, who likely experienced significant mixing with other Mediterranean populations
(Zakrzewski, 2002). A craniometric study found the Naqada and Kerma populations to be morphologically similar (Keita, 1990). Given these and other prior studies suggesting continuity (Berry et al., 1967; Berry and Berry, 1972), and the lack of archaeological evidence of major migration or population replacement during the Neolithic transition in the Nile valley, we may cautiously interpret the dental health changes over time as primarily due to ecological, subsistence, and demographic changes experienced throughout the Nile valley region.

— AP Starling, JT Stock. (2007). Dental Indicators of Health and Stress in Early Egyptian and

I have more if need be.

However, claiming them to be simply "African" isa self-obvious don't you think? Egypt is an African country so undoubtedly as its natives, we're African.

No we use "African" in anthropology/scientific discussion since race has no meaning in topics like this. When we mean African we mean genetically African in anthropology.

But the question is whether King Tut was a Black African, and the answer to that is no.

Then you are wrong. Because recent studies on King Tut state this.

Anyways what I posted on page 26:
Tutankhamun (also spelled Tutenkhamen) is the most famous of all pharaohs. He was the son and successor of Akhenaten, grandson of Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye and great-grandson of the royal matriarch Queen Thuya. Archeologist Howard Carter’s opening of his intact tomb in the Valley of the Kings in 1922 ranks among the most splendid discoveries of history. In 2010, genetic fingerprinting of his mummy determined that he died at the early age of 19 as the result of violence or an accident to which the incestuous relationship of his parents and several genetic defects contributed. Tutankhamun actually carries a “double dose” of the allele named for him. Like most of the other genes in the family, it is Central African in ancient origin, but unlike the other markers it has a sparse distribution outside Africa with a worldwide average frequency of 4%. Still, Africans and African-influenced populations (1 in about 10) are about twice or three times as likely to have it as non-Africans.
The King Tut Gene

Of course the above is due to the 2010 Jama study by Zahi Hawass. He is the only who obtained the STR.
JAMA Network | JAMA | Ancestry and Pathology in King Tutankhamun's Family

Which also proved this:
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Source:
http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

Then we have this...
King Tut died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria - History - Life & Style - The Independent

And please don't waste your time posting that King Tut was European R because I can easily debunk that with one arm behind my back.
 

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How??? Elaborate?


Explain how they were "distinct"?

Because sources I read state this:



I have more if need be.



No we use "African" in anthropology/scientific discussion since race has no meaning in topics like this. When we mean African we mean genetically African in anthropology.



Then you are wrong. Because recent studies on King Tut state this.

Anyways what I posted on page 26:
Tutankhamun (also spelled Tutenkhamen) is the most famous of all pharaohs. He was the son and successor of Akhenaten, grandson of Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye and great-grandson of the royal matriarch Queen Thuya. Archeologist Howard Carter’s opening of his intact tomb in the Valley of the Kings in 1922 ranks among the most splendid discoveries of history. In 2010, genetic fingerprinting of his mummy determined that he died at the early age of 19 as the result of violence or an accident to which the incestuous relationship of his parents and several genetic defects contributed. Tutankhamun actually carries a “double dose” of the allele named for him. Like most of the other genes in the family, it is Central African in ancient origin, but unlike the other markers it has a sparse distribution outside Africa with a worldwide average frequency of 4%. Still, Africans and African-influenced populations (1 in about 10) are about twice or three times as likely to have it as non-Africans.
The King Tut Gene

Of course the above is due to the 2010 Jama study by Zahi Hawass. He is the only who obtained the STR.
JAMA Network | JAMA | Ancestry and Pathology in King Tutankhamun's Family

Which also proved this:
zc511ea9e0.jpg

Source:
http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

Then we have this...
King Tut died from sickle-cell disease, not malaria - History - Life & Style - The Independent

And please don't waste your time posting that King Tut was European R because I can easily debunk that with one arm behind my back.
goddamn it you beat me to it..
 

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"Related" is an ambiguois term and as I stated earlier, evidence shows that they shared traits in common with black Africans at the time, but we're distinct.

However, claiming them to be simply "African" isa self-obvious don't you think? Egypt is an African country so undoubtedly as its natives, we're African. But the question is whether King Tut was a Black African, and the answer to that is no.
ancient egyptians were and are regarded as "black"..

modern day egyptians have alot of foreign admixture..

king tut was black, check his dna tests and haplogroup clusters along with ramses 3 ..
 
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