Warriors credit Draymond Green with saving their season

[knickscrusaderm]

Like I said, he was the 2nd-most important player on a WCSF team this year, so where does that put him?

I think he's elite because he's a top-5 most impactful defender in the league with an occasional argument for #1 and has critical value beyond that as well. Isn't that good enough for elite?

For what it's worth, ESPN, CBS Sports, The Ringer, and Bleacher Report all ranked him in the 30-45 range to start the season. Meaning that on average, most teams only have 1 guy better than him.

Yeah Draymond debatably being the 2nd best player in a WCSF means nothing once you add context. That being, everyone outside of Steph was so fukking trash on at least one side of the ball it was impossible to sit him without everything falling a part . Draymond was a part of the basketball problem.

We give volume scorers a lot of shyt for giving up what they score. I wonder when casuals will realize these defense only players are just as bad.

If the Ringer told you Dame was a top 5 defender at his position, how would that change your perception of Dame?

 

[knickscrusaderm]

I ain’t even tryin to be funny but I ain’t read none of that champ. Any ngga on that ‘casuals don’t know how good Draymond is’ your hoops opinion is dogshyt

 

[Professor Emeritus]

We give volume scorers a lot of shyt for giving up what they score. I wonder when casuals will realize these defense only players are just as bad.

Breh, just on basic logic this take is fukking nonsense. A volume scorer who "gives up as much as he scores" nets you nothing. If his scoring was just taking away from other players, then he's netted you even less than nothing. Whereas a "defense-only player" who saves you 10 points on the defensive end but isn't scoring on offense....has still saved you ten points. Him not contributing on offense isn't a problem unless he actively hurts you on offense. And Draymond is still adding way more on the defensive end than he hurts on the offensive end.

Do you really think Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman were "just as bad" as a no-defense volume scorer like Poole? And Draymond is better on the offensive end than either of them were.

 

[knickscrusaderm]

Breh, just on basic logic this take is fukking nonsense. A volume scorer who "gives up as much as he scores" nets you nothing. If his scoring was just taking away from other players, then he's netted you even less than nothing. Whereas a "defense-only player" who saves you 10 points on the defensive end but isn't scoring on offense....has still saved you ten points. Him not contributing on offense isn't a problem unless he actively hurts you on offense. And Draymond is still adding way more on the defensive end than he hurts on the offensive end.

Do you really think Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman were "just as bad" as a no-defense volume scorer like Poole? And Draymond is better on the offensive end than either of them were.

Yo my man this isn’t 2016 anymore. What impact did Draymond have when Bron was walking Wiggins ass down on the block/drive all game 6? Couple that with the fact that Lakeshow actively ignored his ass all game that is detrimental to your offense. Dray spent the entire game WIDE open in the corner. How many possessions stalled out because there’s 2 nikkas guarding the Warriors off ball actions? If Draymond isn’t scamming assists off Steph/Klay, it’s not like he’s an elite rebounder ala Ben or Dennis. He’s fukking useless!

For their eras, Ben and Dennis had more leeway to be non defensive options. Games had scores in the 80s man. Stopping 10 points meant exponentially more. Answer this: what was Draymond stopping in game 6 when he was forced to guard corner or stay attached to AD?

No one in their right mind would say Dennis was more impactful than Scottie. For whatever reason, nikkas with an agenda keep putting Dray over Klay. Breh the warriors system is based on Klay and Steph’s ability to stretch the defense with their shooting. Nothing works without them, it’s why the Warriors had no success with Klay injured but Dray playing. It’s why they were lottery bound with both out and Draymond looked like a g-league talent.

Knock. It. Off. .

 

[FabTrey]

Draymond ruined poole with the slap. Poole needs to get da fuk outta there and start his own thing. I laugh at those who say he dont play no defense. He never played defense last year either. Ain't no defense in this damned league.

Poole mimicked his game after curry. He will do semi curry things elsewhere as #3 and thrive. Yall saw what he is capable of. bytch ass Draymond really did ruin the good chemistry they had.

 

[Braman]

Yo my man this isn’t 2016 anymore. What impact did Draymond have when Bron was walking Wiggins ass down on the block/drive all game 6? Couple that with the fact that Lakeshow actively ignored his ass all game that is detrimental to your offense. Dray spent the entire game WIDE open in the corner. How many possessions stalled out because there’s 2 nikkas guarding the Warriors off ball actions? If Draymond isn’t scamming assists off Steph/Klay, it’s not like he’s an elite rebounder ala Ben or Dennis. He’s fukking useless!

For their eras, Ben and Dennis had more leeway to be non defensive options. Games had scores in the 80s man. Stopping 10 points meant exponentially more. Answer this: what was Draymond stopping in game 6 when he was forced to guard corner or stay attached to AD?

No one in their right mind would say Dennis was more impactful than Scottie. For whatever reason, nikkas with an agenda keep putting Dray over Klay. Breh the warriors system is based on Klay and Steph’s ability to stretch the defense with their shooting. Nothing works without them, it’s why the Warriors had no success with Klay injured but Dray playing. It’s why they were lottery bound with both out and Draymond looked like a g-league talent.

Knock. It. Off. .

 

[Professor Emeritus]

For whatever reason, nikkas with an agenda keep putting Dray over Klay. Breh the warriors system is based on Klay and Steph’s ability to stretch the defense with their shooting. Nothing works without them, it’s why the Warriors had no success with Klay injured but Dray playing. It’s why they were lottery bound with both out and Draymond looked like a g-league talent.

Yet this entire thread was started when the Warriors moved Draymond to the 2nd unit, with no Steph and no Klay, and that move immediately turned that second unit from a drain on leads into a net positive. How could Draymond boost a unit with no Steph and no Klay?

Then this thread was upped when Steph missed 26 games during the regular season, with Wiggins or Klay out most of that time too, and Golden State still kept their playoff hopes alive going 14-12 in that span with Draymond playing a huge role. How could that be possible if Steph wasn't carrying them?

And on top of that Golden State is a +13 in Draymond's on/off this season (+7 to -6), but only a +3 in Klay's on/off (+3 to 0). How can that be possible, that Golden State still treaded water with either Klay off the court this year, if the offense was entirely predicated on what he and Steph did and Steph missed 1/3 of the games too?



Y'all have made up your minds about Draymond and 80% of that comes from an eye test for fools who don't even know how to use their eyes. Nothing will convince you to drop that agenda. Draymond is a defense-first player who plays "ugly", and your eyes don't know how to register that.

 

[THE 101]

Green has a player option for the fourth year of his contract and already reportedly requested a max extension. The Warriors reportedly plan to discuss a multi-year contract with Green but he has suitors from "multiple playoff-contending teams," according to The Athletic's Anthony Slater and Sham Charania.

Report: Warriors could lose multiple key members of dynasty this offseason

The futures of Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Jordan Poole, president Bob Myers and even head coach Steve Kerr are all reportedly in question.

sports.yahoo.com

This man just quoted the spokesman for Klutch Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda like we wouldn't notice

You too far gone my guy

 

[Professor Emeritus]

GS is an easy fix:

Step 1 - Pray Draymond opts out. If he doesn’t, trade him

Step 2- trade those youngsters you hate so much for a 4/5 who can shoot.

Draymond looked like a g-league talent.

Knock. It. Off. .

I can’t think of one playoff team that would be willing to pay him 20+ million a year, especially with the new CBA.

Still an elite player in the league.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Still an elite player in the league.

He’s not, which is why there was no real market for him outside of Golden State. The Kings and Grizzlies talk was purely one sided propaganda for leverage.

Dunleavy Jr was afraid to do the right thing

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He’s not, which is why there was no real market for him outside of Golden State. The Kings and Grizzlies talk was purely one sided propaganda for leverage.

Dunleavy Jr was afraid to do the right thing

Your agendas are colliding. You're claiming there's no market for him. You claimed he had no reason to get over $15 million a year. Yet you claimed in the Klutch thread that any agent could have gotten Draymond his contract.

It seems like you have zero justification for that claim at all. You're just hating.