[VIDEO] Elgin Bylor aka Rabbit - UNSTOPPABLE

[DalMem]

Elgin Baylor AKA Mr. Keep A Bad Yellow Bone.

 

[Malta]

213lbs was him slimming down to protect his knees and extend his career. 236lbs is the most he weighed prior to that. And I know he was over 230lbs even at Seattle University b4 the NBA so Baylor had a strong wide frame which is why he played best as a small forward. Had he played in this era I'd imagine he'd be lifting weights and weighing upwards of 245, and as said with a list height of 6-6 or 6-7.

He was in the military, so he more than likely did body squats, pushups, pullups and some other calisthenics, so while he didn't lift weights he did have some level of fitness training (Boxers to this day focus on pushups/pullups over weights). It's a far cry from plyometrics but good ole fashion pushups and pullups can give you a lot of functional strength. If he played today like you said, he'd probably be listed around 6"7 and would tip the scales at around 240lbs, which is a large SF for any era, only LeBron and Artest are heavier today and he looks more explosive/quicker than Artest ever did.

 

[YaBoy]

i'm sorry but i'm just not impressed by that video

 

[dantheman9758]

i'm sorry but i'm just not impressed by that video

What exactly were u expecting? Dude has great touch and finishing ability especially his hand control and footwork. Eurostepping back in 1962? . He was a complete ballplayer on the offensive end. Too many moves for defense to handle.

Guess I'm not surprised your not impressed, complete ballplayers that make the game look that easy get overlooked by young fans who wanna see hero-ballers get trapped into a double-team while dribbling too much trying to iso. Then the 1 out of 5 times they managed to squeeze out of the double and jack up a shot is what gets deemed "highlight" material. Guy like Baylor is smart enough not to get himself trapped in the first place. Thats a real baller right there. Look at Lebrons 2012 highlights, he made the game look easy this past season with simple efficient moves inside and out now that he worked on his post game - his highlights won't impress the newer generations of NBA fans in the future u can count on it. People who study the game should know whatsup though.

 

[YaBoy]

What exactly were u expecting? Dude has great touch and finishing ability especially his hand control and footwork. Eurostepping back in 1962? . He was a complete ballplayer on the offensive end. Too many moves for defense to handle.

Guess I'm not surprised your not impressed, complete ballplayers that make the game look that easy get overlooked by young fans who wanna see hero-ballers get trapped into a double-team while dribbling too much trying to iso. Then the 1 out of 5 times they managed to squeeze out of the double and jack up a shot is what gets deemed "highlight" material. Guy like Baylor is smart enough not to get himself trapped in the first place. Thats a real baller right there. Look at Lebrons 2012 highlights, he made the game look easy this past season with simple efficient moves inside and out now that he worked on his post game - his highlights won't impress the newer generations of NBA fans in the future u can count on it. People who study the game should know whatsup though.

i'm not impressed because what he was doing just seems like it should have been easily defended to me. he had a nice touch around the rim tho, i'll give you that.

 

[Cerebral Labyrinth]

Great video, looks kind of like Pacers Ron Artest in how he moved but quicker.

Artest with a diverse offensive arsenal is the first thought that came into my mind.

 

[dantheman9758]

i'm not impressed because what he was doing just seems like it should have been easily defended to me. he had a nice touch around the rim tho, i'll give you that.

Well I'm not sure which plays in particular u lookin at but they did have to play defense a little different back then, both from rules and from just the style of the game. No zone D ws allowed back then you had to guard your man and 1 on 1. against a finisher like Baylor that aint n easy task

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

What exactly were u expecting? Dude has great touch and finishing ability especially his hand control and footwork. Eurostepping back in 1962? .

the earliest player ive seen doing anything like a euro step is bernard king on fastbreaks. he did that weave in and weave out move but it wasnt as exaggerated as it is today. i think players play lower to the ground today like they sqaut down closer to the floor and bend their knees way more. if you look at players like elgin baylor the main thing that stands out to me: they all stood straight up like a stick.

players in this era like iverson,wade,parker.... notice how hey all bend their knees in a almost semi crouch. thats why the eruo step today can be used effectively but not back in the day because back then all these players stood straight up at all times

just for a thought experiment try to imagine elgin baylor doing a iverson crossover while stnding straight up in his regular stance that he has. he probably would fall over.

 

[dantheman9758]

the earliest player ive seen doing anything like a euro step is bernard king on fastbreaks. he did that weave in and weave out move but it wasnt as exaggerated as it is today. i think players play lower to the ground today like they sqaut down closer to the floor and bend their knees way more. if you look at players like elgin baylor the main thing that stands out to me: they all stood straight up like a stick.

players in this era like iverson,wade,parker.... notice how hey all bend their knees in a almost semi crouch. thats why the eruo step today can be used effectively but not back in the day because back then all these players stood straight up at all times

just for a thought experiment try to imagine elgin baylor doing a iverson crossover while stnding straight up in his regular stance that he has. he probably would fall over.

Baylor does the Eurostep at 2:52

And at your second observation I do have a bit of context to help explain it - carry calls slowly but surely disappeared from his time to Iversons time - and this has effected the posture of players and how much they even attempted to dribble in the first place. Baylor dribbles palms down, so does all his contemporaries. It's harder to dribble this way because your potential "handle" is now gone - and as a result it changes your whole approach to what you can or cannot do while in a dribble. They all dribble far less often and keep their heads up because they all are occupied lookin to get rid of the ball right away to score or pass not keep dribbling.

Put your mind in their mind and you'll find that players today do two things vs players from Baylors era that would make them old dudes cringe like how u cringe when u see them standin up like a stiff - In our generation players *dribble too much, and *They commit carrying violations that never get called. (Iverson style crossovers involve cradling the side of the ball...)

A crossover ain't even somethin that those guys never knew about back then, a version of it existed and was used by Oscar Robertson and some of the smaller point guards who are less well known today but the move wasn't as impactful as AI's or Penny's cause they were doin it before the NBA was popular and it wasn't quite as fluid due to that palms-down rule. As time passed the NBA loosened its grip on how tight to call ball handling rules and ignoring things like carrying allow much more fluidity and style to the game which is the direction the NBA has been going since the 60's. Enabling simple things like that changes the dynamic of the game. So with all that said players went from standing tall looking for open teammates to pass too to hunkering down in iso looking to shake the D with tight moves and counter moves enabled by their added dimension of control

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

dan always dropping piff and knowledge

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

Baylor does the Eurostep at 2:52

And at your second observation I do have a bit of context to help explain it - carry calls slowly but surely disappeared from his time to Iversons time - and this has effected the posture of players and how much they even attempted to dribble in the first place. Baylor dribbles palms down, so does all his contemporaries. It's harder to dribble this way because your potential "handle" is now gone - and as a result it changes your whole approach to what you can or cannot do while in a dribble. They all dribble far less often and keep their heads up because they all are occupied lookin to get rid of the ball right away to score or pass not keep dribbling.

Put your mind in their mind and you'll find that players today do two things vs players from Baylors era that would make them old dudes cringe like how u cringe when u see them standin up like a stiff - In our generation players *dribble too much, and *They commit carrying violations that never get called. (Iverson style crossovers involve cradling the side of the ball...)

A crossover ain't even somethin that those guys never knew about back then, a version of it existed and was used by Oscar Robertson and some of the smaller point guards who are less well known today but the move wasn't as impactful as AI's or Penny's cause they were doin it before the NBA was popular and it wasn't quite as fluid due to that palms-down rule. As time passed the NBA loosened its grip on how tight to call ball handling rules and ignoring things like carrying allow much more fluidity and style to the game which is the direction the NBA has been going since the 60's. Enabling simple things like that changes the dynamic of the game. So with all that said players went from standing tall looking for open teammates to pass too to hunkering down in iso looking to shake the D with tight moves and counter moves enabled by their added dimension of control

very good post. i remember playing at park one day and this old man playing in tennis courts came over by the fence and asked me why i could dribble so good i think he lightweight was trying to get me admit that i carry. he was slick too i was cocky for a little second

 

[dantheman9758]

looks like Elgins vid elevated to Yahoo (sports) News status

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