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this is gross. Christianity and Islam is full of fables.
Valedictorian rips up speech and does the Lord's Prayer
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this is gross. Christianity and Islam is full of fables.
graduations are long enough...we didnt need that.
Native American student Chelsey Ramer denied diploma for wearing feather to graduation
if someone a muslim valedictorian led a prayer there would be shock and outrage.
whats good for this goose isnt good for the gander. just dont do it.
Native American student Chelsey Ramer denied diploma for wearing feather to graduation
if someone a muslim valedictorian led a prayer there would be shock and outrage.
whats good for this goose isnt good for the gander. just dont do it.
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That's all you need to know right here.
When it's a Christian that does something like this, they are classified as a hero, but just you let a Native American try to wear a feather or a Islamic community try to build an activity center.
If a Satanist, a religion, got up there and said: "You know, I truly believe my Lord Lucifer is going to be looking after us, and hoping we do well. He's going to make sure we do well in College and out careers" I'm sure these same people would be in here screaming about separation of church and state.
This pretty much sums it up.
Christians, being the majority, get special privileges that no members of any other faith do, but let them tell it the whole world is conspiring against them.
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This pretty much sums it up.
Christians, being the majority, get special privileges that no members of any other faith do, but let them tell it the whole world is conspiring against them.
Yup, when are these clowns going to realize that the 1st Amendment is in part to protect them. It's not to subject them to state-sponsored religion.
They get pissed off because they see this as a Christian country (false), but let a Satanist, Pagan, or Muslim get up there. They'll be the first ones calling the ACLU.
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You know Christians get the pass every time when comes to putting their faith out there in the public. Let that little dude start praying to Allah up there and you know they would have shut it down. Probably would have taken his diploma. Christians get the leeway here in America. It's just the way it is.
Realistically, he didn't offend anyone. If someone got up there and gave a anti religious speech, that would Obviously be antagonistic in fukking Texas. But, I wouldn't have a prob w it. However, that would be like me graduating in a Dearborn HS and getting up there and talking shyt about Muslims or Arabs. That would be stupid.
And the school didn't "make" anyone listen to anything,,, this kid went rouge. If he was atheist he could have did the same thing. A Christian, basically got the best grades, proved that he was intelligent. I respect that. Most people who graduate at the top of their class are religious. It's their moment, they should be allowed to express it the way they want.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I personally wasn't offended. Context doesn't matter, though- American secularism is American secularism. It isn't negated in Dearborn, San Francisco, or Texas.
No, the school was trying NOT to make anyone listen to anything in particular, but to let everyone use the moment of silence for their own beliefs. He made the crowd listen to that on his own. Like I said, I don't have a problem with him bringing up God in his speech. But as a gesture of protest, it was misguided and childish. The school's decision was meant to make the proceedings as open to any belief and religion as possible, but Christians often interpret those measures as attacks on religion (which they think only refers to Christianity) because they're pampered by being the majority. Being open to all beliefs by not privileging Christianity is not antireligious, and it's arrogant and just plain wrong to behave otherwise.
Majority of Americans identify as Christians, so of course there would be outrage and rightfully so.
It's secular, but this is also America. If that is childish, than most forms of protest that a HS student is able to do would be considered childish. He's probably like 17, he was just a child a few years ago.... so while I feel like there is a time and a place... What he did was actually courageous and brave. At 17, I might not have been able to say "fukk it - these are my beliefs and I want you all to know them, who cares what these officials are talking about, i have free speech.. " Top of his class ... I'm sure he's aware that American secularism in Dearborn, San Francisco, or Texas applies to institutions and public officials, and not lil boys.
If dude got up there and gave a speech titled... "Atheism.. The way of a rational and free thinking human being. " This place would be flooded with
The form of protest isn't the problem- it's the very idea that secularism should be protested. Protesting inclusion of all religions (and nonbelievers) just because you feel like not being allowed to shove Christianity in everyone's face is anti-religious persecution isn't a worthy cause.
Like I said, his entire reason for protesting is unworthy, so there's nothing brave about it. It's not like the administrators of the school were a bunch of atheists. They were just trying to make the ceremony accessible for people of all beliefs. His "protest" comes off like a tantrum.
If dude got up there and gave a speech titled... "Atheism.. The way of a rational and free thinking human being. " This place would be flooded with
That would actually have been courageous, just like it would have been courageous for a Muslim to get up there and talk about Islam's place in their life, since most of the crowd was Christian. A Christian preaching to a mostly-Christian crowd in defiance of allowing the minorities (Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, etc) to be included isn't courageous- it's childish and corny.
