US intelligence says Putin honestly believes he's winning

[Piff Perkins]

You are basically describing what happen to America in Vietnam and it took them 10 years to tap out. No different than Korea too. And we aren't even a year removed from the US running out of Afghanistan after two decades. And let's not talk about Cuba. Last real win they had was WW2.

By all US metrics, Russia is winning after two months while the US is filling the pockets of Ukrian oligarchs. American propaganda is cool in theory but it doesn't measure up to its own history.

This isn’t Vietnam. Russia is heavily under sanctions and they’re about to default on debt. Sanctions are fukking their economy and unlike the US in Vietnam, they literally cannot afford a long term quagmire in Ukraine.

Russia isn’t “winning”. They can’t topple the Ukraine government or take the capitol. They’re constantly losing vehicles and men. This is a disaster for them. They may take parts of the East but likely can’t hold them.

 

[DEANBIGBROTHERALLMIGHTY18]

Russia has alway fought wars by throwing bodies. That's like saying that Nazis really beat Russia because so many Russian soldiers died compared to Nazis on the Eastern front. Russian warfare has always been of attrition. Wear down the enemy and play the long game.

Just stop. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Are we suppose to believe the fake classified intelligence

Remember when people like you said Putin wouldn’t invade, the intel about an imminent invasion was BS etc. Two months later and still at it huh. Get the fukk outta here.

 

[Glorious]

Just stop. You don't know what you're talking about.

If it makes you and your taskmasters feel better about themselves.

 

[Problematic Pat]

couldn't even take the capital city of a nation that directly borders them....

doesn't even have air superiority after a month or so....

multiple retreats by russian forces...

more casualties in a month or so than the US. 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan...

That was never the objective. A speech was given by Putin himself describing the intention of the military operation and he never once mentioned capturing the capital or taking over the country.
DeNazify and DeMilitarize Ukraine, protect its citizens in Donbas and eliminate NATO threats inside Ukraine which is what has been happening. Mariupol Azov stronghold has been liberated and remaining Nazis are surrounded in a steel factory with no food or ammunition being waited out. Putin told his troops not to even storm as planned after surrender deadline passed but to let them surrender when they are ready in defeat. Russia has actually been showing a lot of restraint by issuing all these surrender deadlines instead of just liquidating every last one of them. The whole blood thirsty genocidal Russia narrative is falling on its face.

Donbas is currently being defended by DPR while Russian army bombs Ukraine military targets within it.
Luhansk region is in majority control by Russia.
Russia controls Ukraines access to the Black sea.
Military aid being sent to Ukraine can't be verified what is happening to it. Is it getting there? Getting taken or destroyed by Russia?

Now how are they losing again??

 

[Negro Caesar]

You are basically describing what happen to America in Vietnam and it took them 10 years to tap out. No different than Korea too. And we aren't even a year removed from the US running out of Afghanistan after two decades. And let's not talk about Cuba. Last real win they had was WW2.

By all US metrics, Russia is winning after two months while the US is filling the pockets of Ukrian oligarchs. American propaganda is cool in theory but it doesn't measure up to its own history.

And I hear a lot of people say America lost in Vietnam

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Putin reading too much coli. These c00n brehs got his head gassed up

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

you compared this situation to other situations where the US didn't even "win" lol

and russia is doing WAYYYY worse in a country that is right next to their border.....

they already have more casualties than 20 years of iraq and Afghanistan combined....

and its only starting month 2

you pretty much laid the case out for russia taking an L and you don't even know it...

These coli brehs and their logic deficiencies. Whats even more hilarious is when they think that THEY are the smart one

 

[Harry B]

From all accounts he's a very intelligent man who knows that body bags of young Russians are flying home in body bags in dumb rates.

His generals as disappearing, senior security people are disappearing. They miscalculated the strength and determination of the Ukrainans, also miscalculated the support from US/EU with regards to 2014.

I mean, "winning" at what cost? They've already given up on most parts except the eastern parts which are basically half Russian.
All they are doing is killing and butchering women and children, how is that winning?

Say they get that small part of the east, did they win? Lost what, 20, 30k young men, EU/US/JP-friendship, global Russian hate, Russian companies banned unless they sell things we need and billions of dollars in equipment for a small piece of land, which will become worthless if all the Ukrainians leave..? You are pushing neutral countries in to NATO, when your whole thing was for NATO not to expand.

 

[MikelArteta]

who cares?

we still talking about this cac war?

 

[King]

couldn't even take the capital city of a nation that directly borders them....

doesn't even have air superiority after a month or so....

multiple retreats by russian forces...

more casualties in a month or so than the US. 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan...

Has nukes so all of the aforementioned is voided

 

[Black Hans]

He isn't?

Western propaganda out here trying to pull the okie doke.

Clearly, whatever they intended to do by isolating him didn't work which is why they're giving up.

Cut off a major oil and coltan supplier, brehs.

 

[PortCityProphet]

who cares?

we still talking about this cac war?

You gon care when a delusional man tries Canada bytch ass too

Only thing saving yall is being attached to the most destructive cacs in the world to the south of yall

 

[Reality]

I think a lot of Americans and Western society are used to the barbaric strategy that US and NATO typically use. That strategy is to bomb and blow up everything in sight and then go in to mop up the mess you’ve made later.

By no means do I give a fukk about this conflict, but clearly that isn’t Russia’s strategy. If they wanted to level Kyiv with no regard to human life (what NATO and the US would likely do), they could’ve done it in the first week. Especially with Zelensky and his army of Nazis using citizens as shields.

Why blow up a perfectly good city/nation that you plan on annexing and claiming for yourself? You want those surviving citizens to hate you even more and have to rebuild all of the infrastructure?

As far as all of that other shyt… I don’t trust anything that the West propagates about conflicts. Same with Russia. I look at all sides with a grain of salt and confirm the actual truth.

Nah, they couldn't have without taking heavy aircraft losses. They don't have the capability. Part of the reason the US struggled in Vietnam (maybe Korea too) is because it could never establish air superiority. Ground based missiles would shoot aircraft out of the sky.

To counteract this, the US developed SEAD. Suppression of Enemy Air Defense. To put it plainly, it involves one aircraft acting as bait for a defense system while another uses electric signals from the defense locking on the bait vehicle to find and destroy the defense system. It takes a lot of training and special equipment to do so. The US has specific pilot training for this purpose. Russia doesn't. Russian equipment is also lacking. There was a good post on it in HL.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking Russia is morally superior. Their military is just lacking, that's all.

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

Americans probably expected the Rumbling