UPDATE 1/19: TikTok UNBANNED "THANKS TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND ONLY PRESIDENT TRUMP, WE'RE BACK!"

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We are not debating the same things.

I am not talking about propaganda or whatever.

I’m just saying I agree that a media company doing business in the US should be owned by a US citizen/company.

Please don’t mention anything about propaganda because that is not the point I’m making.
No it shouldn’t.

We need both. We just all witnessed as the US government sponsored a genocide, all US controlled outlets banned pro-Palestinian posts. We see how American platforms such as twitter, Facebook, etc are becoming more and more right-wing leaning and you want more of that?
 

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You can’t care about more than one thing in this instance. The same corporate interests that want to ban any media outlets that they directly control or influence are the same people who are influencing politics to make you a wage slave with no rights. You know, like Elon musk.

But your dumbass is worried about Muslims in china. Your brain doesn’t work :dead:
fukk China, fukk Elon, fukk TikTok.

Cry for your precious North Koreans all you want.
 

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No it shouldn’t.

We need both. We just all witnessed as the US government sponsored a genocide, all US controlled outlets banned pro-Palestinian posts. We see how American platforms such as twitter, Facebook, etc are becoming more and more right-wing leaning and you want more of that?
Trump is gonna buy half of Tik Tok Jihadi and turn into MAGA tok. The CEO or whatever is going to his inauguration and personally thanking him. But we know you don’t care about that you fakkit foreign agent.
 

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Go touch some grass buddy, you have the 3rd highest post count in this thread fighting for your life

typical right wing buffoon, given Trump history and how transactional he is. and how does one man making a call circumvent a law, you just take his word as gospel as there no alterior motive to it.
 

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No it shouldn’t.

We need both. We just all witnessed as the US government sponsored a genocide, all US controlled outlets banned pro-Palestinian posts. We see how American platforms such as twitter, Facebook, etc are becoming more and more right-wing leaning and you want more of that?

Foreign media coverage of what’s going on in the US, sure. There’s the BBC, Euronews, etc.

But foreign ownership, can’t get with that. For me, it’s the macro level principle of things.

The BBC being owned by Elon Musk would never fly in the UK.

The game of empire has to put national interests first. The right-wing leaning issue is more so a microlevel issue within the US.

Same way China doesn’t allow American companies like Visa and Mastercard operate in China. You can’t have your citizens payment transaction infrastructure tied to the operations of a foreign entity. Same thing for media.

I’m looking at the macro level principle.
 

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The TikTok ban bill passed in both houses of Congress overwhelmingly. Plenty of progressive Dems voted for it.

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How the House Voted on Foreign Aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan

While all Democrats voted in favor of aid to Ukraine and all but Ms. Tlaib supported funding to Taiwan, 37 left-leaning Democrats defected to vote against the Israel aid bill. They said before the vote that they opposed unfettered aid to Israel that could be used in its offensive in Gaza. The opposition to the Israel aid represented a minority of Democrats, but reflected the deep resistance to unconditional aid and the divisions in the party on Gaza. Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland represented a notable new “no” vote among Democrats, and other standouts included Representatives Donald S. Beyer Jr. of Virginia, Earl Blumenauer of Oregon and John Garamendi of California.

Still, 37 “no” votes, while a break from Washington’s ironclad support for the Jewish state, fell short of the opposition bloc progressives had hoped to muster. Thirty-nine Democrats had voted “no” on Friday on the rule to allow the foreign aid package to come to the House floor, a target that progressives just missed on Saturday on the Israel bill. Fourteen of those Democrats voted on Saturday in favor of aid to Israel, while 12 Democrats who voted to allow the package on the floor on Friday then cast votes against the funding itself.


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Aguilar CA Calif. 33rdY Y
Allred TX Texas 32ndY Y
Amo RI R.I. 1stY Y
Auchincloss MA Mass. 4thY Y
Balint VT Vt.Y Y
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Beatty OH Ohio 3rdY Y
Bera CA Calif. 6thY Y
Beyer Jr. VA Va. 8thY Y
Bishop GA Ga. 2ndY Y
Blumenauer OR Ore. 3rdY Y
Blunt Rochester DE Del.Y Y
Bonamici OR Ore. 1stY Y
Bowman NY N.Y. 16thN N
Boyle PA Pa. 2ndY Y
Brown OH Ohio 11thY Y
Brownley CA Calif. 26thY Y
Budzinski IL Ill. 13thY Y
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Cárdenas CA Calif. 29thY Y
Carson IN Ind. 7thY Y
Carter LA La. 2ndY Y
Cartwright PA Pa. 8thY Y
Casar TX Texas 35thN N
Case HI Hawaii 1stY Y
Casten IL Ill. 6thY Y
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Cherfilus-McCormick FL Fla. 20thY Y
Chu CA Calif. 28thY Y
Clark MA Mass. 5thY Y
Clarke NY N.Y. 9thY Y
Cleaver II MO Mo. 5thY Y
Clyburn SC S.C. 6thY Y
Cohen TN Tenn. 9thY Y
Connolly VA Va. 11thY Y
Correa CA Calif. 46thY Y
Costa CA Calif. 21stY Y
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Craig MN Minn. 2ndY Y
Crockett TX Texas 30thY Y
Crow CO Colo. 6thY Y
Cuellar TX Texas 28thY Y
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Davis IL Ill. 7thN N
Davis NC N.C. 1stY Y
Dean PA Pa. 4thY Y
DeGette CO Colo. 1stY Y
DeLauro CT Conn. 3rdY Y
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DeSaulnier CA Calif. 10thY Y
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Escobar TX Texas 16thY Y
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Garamendi CA Calif. 8thY Y
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Golden ME Maine 2ndY Y
Goldman NY N.Y. 10thY Y
Gomez CA Calif. 34th
Gonzalez TX Texas 34thY Y
Gottheimer NJ N.J. 5thY Y
Green TX Texas 9thN N
Grijalva AZ Ariz. 7th
Harder CA Calif. 9thY Y
Hayes CT Conn. 5thY Y
Himes CT Conn. 4thY Y
Horsford NV Nev. 4thY Y
Houlahan PA Pa. 6thY Y
Hoyer MD Md. 5thY Y
Hoyle OR Ore. 4thN N
Huffman CA Calif. 2ndY Y
Ivey MD Md. 4thY Y
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Jackson Lee TX Texas 18thN N
Jacobs CA Calif. 51stN N
Jayapal WA Wash. 7thN N
Jeffries NY N.Y. 8thY Y
Johnson GA Ga. 4thY Y
Kamlager-Dove CA Calif. 37thN N
Kaptur OH Ohio 9thY Y
Keating MA Mass. 9thY Y
Kelly IL Ill. 2ndY Y
Khanna CA Calif. 17thN N
Kildee MI Mich. 8thY Y
Kilmer WA Wash. 6thY Y
Kim NJ N.J. 3rdN N
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McLane Kuster NH N.H. 2ndY Y
Landsman OH Ohio 1stY Y
Larsen WA Wash. 2ndN N
Larson CT Conn. 1stY Y
Lee CA Calif. 12thN N
Lee NV Nev. 3rdY Y
Lee PA Pa. 12thN N
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Levin CA Calif. 49thY Y
Lieu CA Calif. 36thY Y
Lofgren CA Calif. 18thN N
Lynch MA Mass. 8thY Y
Magaziner RI R.I. 2nd
Manning NC N.C. 6thY Y
Matsui CA Calif. 7thY Y
McBath GA Ga. 7thY Y
McClellan VA Va. 4thY Y
McCollum MN Minn. 4thY Y
McGarvey KY Ky. 3rdY Y
McGovern MA Mass. 2ndN N
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Menendez Jr. NJ N.J. 8thY Y
Meng NY N.Y. 6thY Y
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Moore WI Wis. 4thN N
Morelle NY N.Y. 25thY Y
Moskowitz FL Fla. 23rdY Y
Moulton MA Mass. 6thY Y
Mrvan IN Ind. 1stY Y
Mullin CA Calif. 15thY Y
Nadler NY N.Y. 12thY Y
Napolitano CA Calif. 31stY Y
Neal MA Mass. 1stY Y
Neguse CO Colo. 2ndY Y
Nickel NC N.C. 13thY Y
Norcross NJ N.J. 1stY Y
Ocasio-Cortez NY N.Y. 14thN N
Omar MN Minn. 5thN N
Pallone NJ N.J. 6thY Y
Panetta CA Calif. 19thY Y
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Pascrell NJ N.J. 9thY Y
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Porter CA Calif. 47thY Y
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Ruiz CA Calif. 25thY Y
Ruppersberger MD Md. 2ndY Y
Ryan NY N.Y. 18thY Y
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Sherman CA Calif. 32ndY Y
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Smith WA Wash. 9thY Y
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Strickland WA Wash. 10thY Y
Suozzi NY N.Y. 3rdY Y
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Thompson MS Miss. 2ndY Y
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Watson Coleman NJ N.J. 12thY Y
Wexton VA Va. 10thY Y
Wild PA Pa. 7thY Y
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Foreign media coverage of what’s going on in the US, sure. There’s the BBC, Euronews, etc.

But foreign ownership, can’t get with that. For me, it’s the macro level principle of things.

The BBC being owned by Elon Musk would never fly in the UK.

The game of empire has to put national interests first. The right-wing leaning issue is more so micro as in within the US.

Same way China doesn’t allow American companies like Visa and Mastercard operate in China. You can’t have your citizens payment transaction infrastructure tied to the operations of a foreign entity.

I’m looking at the macro level principle.
The benefit of foreign ownership in media companies is that you get narratives that your government doesn’t allow. If you don’t want foreign ownership then you’re effectively saying you only want to be exposed to pro-government propaganda.

The biggest threat to your existence in America are right wing extremist, not the Chinese government. You should be more worried about the influence twitter has on white Americans than the influence TikTok has on American teenagers.

Twitter as we speak is pushing right wing extremist propaganda and these people are dangerous.

The BBC being owned by Elon Musk would never fly in the UK.
That’s not a good example. Its like a UK citizen having access to BBC but then wanting twitter banned because it’s not owned by a UK citizen or the UK government.
 

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The benefit of foreign ownership in media companies is that you get narratives that your government doesn’t allow. If you don’t want foreign ownership then you’re effectively saying you only want to be exposed to pro-government propaganda.

The biggest threat to your existence in America are right wing extremist, not the Chinese government. You should be more worried about the influence twitter has on white Americans than the influence TikTok has on American teenagers.


Twitter as we speak is pushing right wing extremist propaganda and these people are dangerous.

I see it differently. We can agree to disagree on this one.
 
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