Upd 8/16: Based on 2023 Lake Mead Proj. - Arizona, Nevada and Mexico must draw less of Mead's water
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yea, because the One Child Policy was such a success in china
Do you have this sort of bravado in real life? Like, do you go to work and say the most ignorant shyt you can think of with your full chest? How do people react?
* First off, population growth slowed dramatically during the One Child Policy, so I'm perplexed by your suggestion it wasn't a success (how much the one child policy created that population curve and how much would have come anyway from prosperity is debated, but either way it was a success so your dig makes no sense).
* Second, there was MASSIVE economic growth while the one child policy was in place, which kills your argument that population growth is necessary for economic prosperity.
* Finally, until recently there was ZERO attempt to use socialist policy to limit resource use in China during that growth period, because the entire drive of Chinese policy was "State Capitalism" - the attempt to use the global capitalist economy to serve the state.
You couldn't have picked a more ignorant response. It's mind-blowing how regularly you do this. Please, JUST READ ONE fukkING CHAPTER OF A BOOK! I linked you 3 chapters, read one of them! When was the last time you read any chapter of any informative nonfiction book? Seriously, I want to know. The consistency with which you show ignorance on every topic astounds me.
WOW
You drive around dry places anywhere in the West, they grow a shytload of alfalfa, it uses a shytload of water, and no one is stopping it. Just look at any satellite map, you can recognize the alfalfa by the big green circles in the middle of desert.
Along with rice and tree nuts in California and golf courses in Arizona and SoCal, it's just us literally destroying ourselves for the almighty dollar. The markets aren't even there naturally - we have to do tons of trade deal rigging to dump our rice crops on countries that don't even want it, and both the tree nut and alfalfa markets are driven by enormous advertising from the beef and nut industries that's vastly increased per-capita consumption over the last 40+ years.
the cac mamba
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breh... you didnt present any actual real world scenario
you're saying capitalism was cool to build up places like arizona, but they should have just shut it off and become some hippy commune in like 2010?
what the fukk are you actually trying to say?
breh... you didnt present any actual real world scenario
you're saying capitalism was cool to build up places like arizona, but they should have just shut it off and become some hippy commune in like 2010?
Great job failing to respond to a single point of substance.
Read the chapters. You will continue to comment ignorantly until you do so. That's all I'm trying to say - read the chapters.
the cac mamba
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i did, they were interesting. and good discussion for stoned college kids. we should all be sharing blenders
i can appreciate the limitations of capitalism in arizona, but im just not seeing the alternative
You claimed I made a "terrible post" because I pointed out their growth issues were directly driven by capitalist objectives. You claimed I had made a "terrible post" because you thought socialism requires growth as much as capitalism does. If you read the chapters, you'd realize now that is explicitly false.
Do you?
You claimed "socialists need water too". This ignores that the water issues in the west are directly related to unnecessary consumption driven by relentless profit-making along with unchecked development also driven by the need for constant growth. Hopefully you've read the previous threads regarding why suburbs are inherently unsustainable? Exact same dynamic here.
i can appreciate the limitations of capitalism in arizona, but im just not seeing the alternative
Keep reading the book, plenty of alternatives are described. I gave you the diagnostic chapters.
Otherwise your plan is.....societal collapse? Because lacking creativity to come up with alternatives to the status quo doesn't somehow make the inevitability of collapse go away. Constant growth as an economic model can't possibly work. The environment has to tap out at some point, we run out of everything and run what we have into the ground. Throwing your head in the sand doesn't change that.
the cac mamba
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well, any time you feel like posting what you actually want to take place
i can tell you're embarrassed by it, or somethingturns out that only vegas has access to the lowest pump in lake mead. we'll be drinking in the pools as these arizonan capitalists dry out of existence
well, any time you feel like posting what you actually want to take place
I'm not embarrassed by it, I want modern capitalism to end. Specifically end the loans-at-interest based money system and end private exploitation of natural resources without community approval. And I linked the exact book that describes the necessary things that need to be done. Linked it multiple times this week. I'm not going to copy-paste an entire book into here.
the cac mamba
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far be it from me to defend arizona selling alfalfa to the fukking saudis
3 Year Timelapse of Mead
For those of you who are new to this information, the white is mineral deposits when it was underwater; commonly called "The Bath Tub Ring".
LA Time too late getting into the news.
For those of you who are new to this information, the white is mineral deposits when it was underwater; commonly called "The Bath Tub Ring".
LA Time too late getting into the news.
Yapdatfool
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Claudia hammercy. ..
I think building codes ..cities going on now should not allow houses to be built with lawns in the desert.
Gotta be artificial turf or none at all.
Artifical turf looks nice
I think building codes ..cities going on now should not allow houses to be built with lawns in the desert.
Gotta be artificial turf or none at all.
Artifical turf looks nice
Claude hammercy. ..
I think building codes ..cities going on now should not allow houses to be built with lawns in the desert.
Gotta be artificial turf or none at all.
Artifical turf looks nice
I think building codes ..cities going on now should not allow houses to be built with lawns in the desert.
Gotta be artificial turf or none at all.
Artifical turf looks nice