UNKNOWN BURIALS, THAT RUINED GUYS THAT WE FORGET THE BURIAL AND BLAME THEM INSTEAD

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It's really sad that Lex Luger has this forgettable legacy. He really doesn't deserve it. Yeah, he wasn't the best at particularly anything but he wasn't really that bad either. He could go out and give you a solid match given he was working with the right guy. Overall, I thought he was pretty bland. But for some reason, the fans still caught on to him. I grew up in WCW country, and all of my friends LOVED Lex Luger for some reason. You can't convince me that he wasn't over when he was feuding with Hogan in the early days of the NWO.

If I had to compare anyone from the past 10 years or so to Lex Luger, I'd probably compare him to Batista. Batista was probably better in the ring though, but I don't think their legacies are really that different. Batista will be remembered though because he was Vince's guy while Luger wasn't.
 

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The lex express still rollin

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fukk yoy fakkit I hope you get confined to a wheelchair
 

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Damien sandow was buried and his attitude when he was forced to give up the mitb to cena.
Is why he was more than likely phased into a comedy acts.
As sandow, the entire cena program never showed any vigor or actual psychology to the mitb briefcase change.
Which related to low visual and execution quality of the match.
That at the time everyone in this forum note and filed.
Especially, when sandow was in a convincability ramp up.program character wise preceeding this.
When he was in a program with people like sheamus predating this.
Laying out guys who were typically booked to dominate him onscreen.

So, once again you are deflecting, wrong and did not know what occurred.
Yet here you are in this thread giving more bullshyt cause you got dementia based emotional problems.
Plus are not fact base and don't know what the fukk you talembout, again.

Now keep talking so I can keep expose'n and tablin you in longhand, goofie.


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Mother fukker.
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It's really sad that Lex Luger has this forgettable legacy. He really doesn't deserve it. Yeah, he wasn't the best at particularly anything but he wasn't really that bad either. He could go out and give you a solid match given he was working with the right guy. Overall, I thought he was pretty bland. But for some reason, the fans still caught on to him. I grew up in WCW country, and all of my friends LOVED Lex Luger for some reason. You can't convince me that he wasn't over when he was feuding with Hogan in the early days of the NWO.

If I had to compare anyone from the past 10 years or so to Lex Luger, I'd probably compare him to Batista. Batista was probably better in the ring though, but I don't think their legacies are really that different. Batista will be remembered though because he was Vince's guy while Luger wasn't.


WWE fukked up with Batista so bad,....
That they left hordes of money matches on the table.
That would have fit into vkm's bigger is better ideal.

Just the fact, they should never have went away from the WWE and whc championship hurt them.
All because there was a money match with ryback and Brock at mania. or a large ppv just sitting there for the taking.

Plus the fact the WWE does not understand their booking in how hogun beat sheik is always the wwf gateway fan starting point.
That every fan of the wwf in mythos uses as their legacy jump on point..leading to the perception of the baby face wins at mania.
So, just the fact the wwf never used Batista accurately when he had a marvel movie of all things.
Like hogun was in rocky was more ineptitude on their part.
As real talk,...
You could have relaunched Batista as a face.
versus Brock who should have had the whc opposite punk with the WWE spinner with heyman.
Or if they never buried ryback with the dumbest hiac ending ever.
When the correct ending to hiac was Brock ripping the door off the hiac and f5'n ryback for punk to retain.
Instead we got the dumbest end to hiac ever.
Plus, no use in principal of the character who was the ref in any high quality based usage.
When, he was instituted in such a large angle and he was even jagged and no purposeful profitable draw was created by a guy in a hiac match.
When hiac originally launched monster based me talent.
What should have happened was Brock could have been used to transition to the money match with ryback for the whc.
Leaving ryback in the chase to unify the title and give them another monster bf who fits vkm model.
Plus, an immediate muscle head star that wrasslin in principal to create a superstar boom draw.
Can always use and needs to re-invigorate it as a draw.
For wwf to basically bury ryback for being new and not wanting to empower new talent that over.
As they are scared of creating new talent they have not damaged in perception of draw in some manner.
That makes them damaged goods after leaving the promotion.
To the point via stigma.
that talent may never recover as a draw in convincability or draw after the wwf.

so, ryback is also another name in this era.
That I will be added to the list in this series.



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Mother fukker.
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nikkaz, stop deflecting.
I bet yo trick baby making ass mama does that to you,...doesn't she?
that is why you deflect as your main cog of communication.
How bytch of you nikka.
Now, since you been wrong about me and luger for no reason.
Now you trying to deflect away from you getting clowned for being wrong.
You emulate bytch behavior because you are a trick baby bytch nikka.

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WWE fukked up with Batista so bad,....
That they left hordes of money matches on the table.
That would have fit into vkm's bigger is better ideal.

Just the fact, they should never have went away from the WWE and whc championship hurt them.
All because there was a money match with ryback and Brock at mania or a large ppvjust sitting their for the taking.

Plus the fact the WWE does not understand their booking in f how hogun beat sheik is always the wwf starting point.
That every fan of the wwf in mythos uses as their legacy jump on point..leading to the perception of the baby face wins at mania.
So, just the fact the wwf never used Batista accurately when he had a marvel movie of all things.
Like hogun was in rocky was more ineptitude on their part.
As real talk,...
You could have relaunched Batista as a face.
versus Brock who should have had the whc opposite punk with the WWE spinner with heyman.
Or if they never buried rybakc with the dumbest hiac ending ever.
When the correct ending to hiac was Brock ripping the door off the hiac and f5'n ryback for punk to retain.
Instead we got the dumbest end to hiac ever.
Plus, no use in principal of the character who was the ref in any high quality based usage.
When, he was instituted in such a large angle and he was even jagged and no purposeful profitable draw was created by a guy in a hiac match.
When hiac originally launched monster based me talent.
What should have happened was Brock could have been used to transition to the money match with ryback for the whc.
Leaving ryback in the chase to unify the title and give them another monster bf who fits vkm model.
Plus, an immediate muscle head star that wrasslin in principal to create a superstar boom draw.
Can always use and needs to re-invigorate it as a draw.
For wwf to basically bury ryback for being new and not wanting to empower new talent that over.

Is also another name in this era added to the list.



Art Barr

They tried elevating Batista as a babyface with Guardians of the Galaxy. The thing is, the fans wanted Daniel Bryan and wouldn't accept anything else. Also, people didn't expect Guardians of the Galaxy to be as good as it was. By the time the movie came out, Batista had already left the WWE. If he came back AFTER that movie came out, the fans would've ate it all up with his return. I think it was bad timing on both parties.

Also, Ryback has absolutely no business being anywhere near the top of the card.
 

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This fukkhead thinks he gets auto props for being named after Art Bar, yet also thinks anyone losing = being buried, and his own timelines he gives to make you think he knows more than you are off by years.
 

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WWE punished/buried Sandow by sandbagging him with Miz when in theory he should have been feuding with Randy/Punk/Ryback at that time. Instead he went back down the card to being a lackey for the Golden Boy Gatekeeper Miz. Got one of the biggest reactions at WM with Miz and still got written off TV. If that's not a burial then what is.
 

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WWE punished/buried Sandow by sandbagging him with Miz when in theory he should have been feuding with Randy/Punk/Ryback at that time. Instead he went back down the card to being a lackey for the Golden Boy Gatekeeper Miz. Got one of the biggest reactions at WM with Miz and still got written off TV. If that's not a burial then what is.


Sandow buried himself during the Miz angle. Crowds that were dying for him to get tagged in would die when he actually DID get the hot tag, because he's very very average in the ring. The idea of Sandow was more appealing to the crowd than actually getting Sandow. The internet ran with this idea that he was being held back, and cheering for him was sticking it to the man. But then when they actually got Sandow, no one gave a shyt at all.
 

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The reason why NWA, never caught up to the cavernous void in draw to the wwf.
is, simply they never developed a real baby face superstar with the look by having him go over in that era.
Luger was that guy at that point who was the golden boy.
Especially after the void and loss of magnum.
Who if he never has the car crash could have equaled hogun on the opposite channel

Lex was the one principal in the entire industry who could have immediately filled that void.
If it was not tampered with and booked in perception to be as big a company changing move as hogun beating sheik.
To the point flair had already made himself into the best villain in arguable tv history not named Larry bird.
So, NWA having flair lose to luger would not have buried flair.
Plus there was always a way for flair to rebuild himself as a heel via the us title being the place maker for the number contender.
Including the fact the us title cosmetically was one of the best title of all time as well.
So just in visual perception NWA would have still kept flair a mainstay and eventually if luger had went over.
You could always book the loss and redue the chase angle the long way.
Even after flair could have cheated after reacquiring the title.
Plus, showcasing the promo after the match of lex bot ever getting a rematch as well.
So, luger could have been booked and more babyfaces could have been elevated after luger with a number of different looks and aesthetics.
after luger could have been used to draw with the bland rerun type booking of the wwf.
Plus, if all else failed you could have restrapped luger with the us title the long way and changed the completion of starrcade to rival mania with the implied aesthetic of the babyface always wins.
To the point that if luger would have won against flair exactly then.
You could have continued to feed him tune up matches just like hogun would get, before the title was reserved for ppv and snme later on.
The fact NWA did not understand that rocky III changed everything.
is also why they lost the initial ability to garner a similar draw as the wwf.
When they were clearly far and away the better quality product and show.
Complete with a well booked rogues gallery of villains the wwf never had and would have easily lapped the we and possibly even got their own late night show like snme, too.
The adult content of the villain wins aesthetic never transistioned to an early am morning to afternoon show.
All because they lacked the golden boy gateway babygace star like hogun.
If people are not aware hogun was a Billy graham complete ripoff in every aspect as hogun in interview to sell the match.
Luger although not as adept had higher booking and quality principals in place to fill the gap at that particular time.
Plus, the NWA contingent was due a baby face win in the level at least in perception comparable to hogun in lex.
Also, were you cognitive at all back then?



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You are assuming Luger was that guy to move the needle in any comparable way to Hogan which I don't see happening. Luger was very over but he was never more over than Sting. Sting had the better quality matches and better/more unique look and even Sting's run on top didn't do big business. So I don't see how Luger would have done the same when he wasn't nearly as good in the ring.

I don't blame Sting for that, what that means is it would take more to compete with WWF than just a big babyface star. WCW did not have the brains at the top of the organization to compete with Vince.

One thing to add onto that is the fact that the promotion was built around Flair fighting off babyface challengers. There was no big heels to throw at Luger, which is the same problem Sting had. The big players at the time Luger/Sting/Steiners/Road Warriors were all babyfaces. And anyway, to me, Luger was always more interesting as a heel.

I think if you want to say Luger was buried, you are missing the moment. It wasn't the loss to Flair, it was not getting to finally pin Flair at Bash 91. That was the plan and that was supposed to be the big moment Luger fan were waiting for. When Flair left and he never got that rub, it was basically curtains for Lex.
 

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You are assuming Luger was that guy to move the needle in any comparable way to Hogan which I don't see happening. Luger was very over but he was never more over than Sting. Sting had the better quality matches and better/more unique look and even Sting's run on top didn't do big business. So I don't see how Luger would have done the same when he wasn't nearly as good in the ring.

I don't blame Sting for that, what that means is it would take more to compete with WWF than just a big babyface star. WCW did not have the brains at the top of the organization to compete with Vince.

One thing to add onto that is the fact that the promotion was built around Flair fighting off babyface challengers. There was no big heels to throw at Luger, which is the same problem Sting had. The big players at the time Luger/Sting/Steiners/Road Warriors were all babyfaces. And anyway, to me, Luger was always more interesting as a heel.

I think if you want to say Luger was buried, you are missing the moment. It wasn't the loss to Flair, it was not getting to finally pin Flair at Bash 91. That was the plan and that was supposed to be the big moment Luger fan were waiting for. When Flair left and he never got that rub, it was basically curtains for Lex.


Sting was not in the NWA then, breh.
Sting was in the uwf.
luger always Lost to flair before the match I am talking about.
to the match I am referencing and all the time after that.
Flair always won and hosed the baby face when it actually made sense to change the title.
You do know flair is one of the originators of this iron grip on a promotion shyt in the past Gen.
Do I have to cite how duhtay had to get the book to change the flair title reigns and control of the book.
Predating this and that is the only way the title changed hands.


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Plus the whole flair wanted to drop it to sting is revisionist history.
As you do know how clique rules even originated. is from flair having control of the book in some fashion directly or by influence.
Flair is no saint when it comes to having control of a promotion and the book, breh.
Again, flair originated a lot of this control of the book shyt, breh.
 
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Sting was not in the NWA then, breh.
Sting was in the uwf.
luger always Lost to flair before the match I am talking about.
to the match I am referencing and all the time after that.
Flair always won and hosed the baby face when it actually made sense to change the title.
You do know flair is one of the originators of this iron grip on a promotion shyt in the past Gen.
Do I have to cite how duhtay had to get the book to change the flair title reigns and control of the book.
Predating this and that is the only way the title changed hands.


Art Barr

Plus the whole flair wanted to drop it to sting is revisionist history.
As you do know how clique rules even originated. is from flair having control of the book in some fashion directly or by influence.
Flair is no saint when it comes to having control of a promotion and the book, breh.
Again, flair originated a lot of this control of the book shyt, breh.

Sting joined NWA in July 87, the match you refer to in the OP with the worked leg injury was at Bash 88 a year later.

And anyway the point wasn't that Sting should have been in that spot, the point is that Luger would have never boosted business in a comparable way to Hogan if Sting couldn't do it a year later.

Luger was getting title shots less than a year into the biz based off his look. He was green as grass and not ready to be the world champ at that point.
 

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Sting joined NWA in July 87, the match you refer to in the OP with the worked leg injury was at Bash 88 a year later.

And anyway the point wasn't that Sting should have been in that spot, the point is that Luger would have never boosted business in a comparable way to Hogan if Sting couldn't do it a year later.

Luger was getting title shots less than a year into the biz based off his look. He was green as grass and not ready to be the world champ at that point.


You are saying this like the NWA did not have a disconnect in a number of ways to why they had not established a boom.
The NWA had a disconnect as to why the wwf hit and the NWA did not.
Plus the NWA knew they were the higher quality product but they never learned about why exactly hogun popped and the nwa did not.
They lacked the market research and hordes of guys say that.
If wcw could have covered up berg's green-ness, the same could have been done to luger in a more talented time in the NWA roster wise as well.
if luger got the duke he could have been protected in squashes for a long ass time given the time period of the times.
A great match was not required and hogun caught on more.
All because hogun was booked strong against rocky in rocky III singlehandidly. that is why he had a draw and all the NWA had to do was get a better similar golden boy guy with the same type of win over flair.
Just like hogun got over sheik.
With luger as the champ they could have moved from a late pm slot to a more accessible am slot.
Just off the principal of luger and then did the exact same thing.
the wwf did when hogun first won the title.
Keep showing the title match over and over again every week, damn near on loop.
Sometimes the whole match or just the counter out the clutch to just the boot and legdrop for the title.
followed by a quick hogun squash of a heel like John stud with a manager..ramp up luger and then have flair carry him to a three star match to take back the title via cheating.
then cheat in the re-match, cut the you will never get another rematch promo.
Which would usher luger into the us title picture. To have him ramp and provide the chase of tully and pull the whole get to the big boss chase by running down the horsemen.
As, the horsemen kept you from the title cause typically they had all the gold.
Plus, tully never challenged ric and no one back then was beating arn in fifteen minutes generally in a tv title match.
Instead the NWA failed because flair had obscene grips on the booking and would not waver.
Plus flair did not understand the payoff of the bf win.
To turn starrcade into the same type of ideal as mania. as it should have naturally been changed to.
after hogun went over sheik, and was strongly booked to kick rocky's ass in rocky III.

Which soon lead into mania I.

As every kid back then knew hogun from rocky and real talk wwf did not even come on tv, at all.
till after rocky III and the boom of eye of the tiger, rocky III and Mr t.
So, all the NWA needed was a golden boy and if luger as the golden boy beat the other heel golden boy and the best villain in a weekly series ever in flair.
That was all that was needed was luger going over on flair on loop like they oversaturated the hogun beats sheik title change for months on the wwf Saturday morning show.
After over saturation of the hogun win it built up to watch him in a taped to possible live match.
To which, Hogun would only have a squash and all kids back then loved squashes and that was all luger needed at that time, as well.
Plus that is all luger did was have kid mark out squashes.
As wrasslin was reset from the rocky III appearance and NWA caught steam with duhtay as champion.
When it first debuted on late pm programming.
That a guy opposite hogun's look was marketed as the guy.
To the point as kid, kids loved duhtay.
Kids cried watching duhtay catch the beats and kids cried when magnum has the injury put out angle, too.
So, NWA had their principals.
the nwa just needed that guy after magnum's accident as magnum was the real hogun by perception to wrasslin fans back then and then after that.
luger showed up and was indoctrinated as the next hogun immediately, by fan perception

That even Nikita koloff in NWA was known as the real Nikita koloff and the phoney wack one was on wwf.

NWA had more convincablity and its late pm start gave them more edge.
That if luger won, they could have covered the gap and went to Saturday am programming with a rocket.
even in that pm show, duhtay did not wrassle every week.
For weeks they would show how duhtay acquired the title and duhtay never even had squash matches.
That is how much better programmed the NWA show was and all they had to do.
Was simply add the golden boy champ that luger was in every possible way.
As back then luger, just like magnum Ta before injury was thought of as the better hogun.
Which is why to this day nikkaz will gouge your eyes out about lex cause lex was the better alternative to hogun, back then.

After hogun was the person who ushered in why the word phoney caught on in the hood and later the world.

Nwa had the rubrick in how to transfer bf to heels and have great feuds and they had smarter bookers.
That knew how to protect talent.
Luger was not green like warlord in the sense.
Where luger could not be hid with the proper principals in ring to guide him like warlord
luger also had the ability to ramp and be carried mid match at that time.
before his spirit was broke.
Exactly like Nikita did to ramp as well.

Also,.... again I ask were you cognitive to see this shyt.
As you keep talking about sting when again sting was not even on tv with the uwf at this exact time luger first was never beating flair when he should have.

Sting was not even a baby face in uwf at this time.
Sting at that time was opposite Eddie Gilbert and, being one of the scariest heels visually and in action in the industry at the time.


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