Universal health care to appear on Colorado ballot in 2016

[DEAD7]

Why not at the federal level?

The closer it is(implemented) to the people affected the better IMO.

As well as a bunch of one size doesnt fit all, less accountability, more waste, etc. talking points

 

[CHL]

@DEAD7 voted for being a big government extremist! Scandinavian socialist!

 

[DEAD7]

@DEAD7 voted for being a big government extremist! Scandinavian socialist!

Both free market and universal healthcare are better than what we have now.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

yeah it's good on a state to state basis. The thing is more and more poor folks might flock to the state and put the whole system out of whack.

That wouldn't be why it would fail. The reason Vermont is failed is because:

Notably, large businesses that operate in multiple states would have been exempt. And it was unclear whether or how enrollees in federal plans like Medicare and TRICARE could be integrated into the state’s plan.

Those exemptions cut into the funding base while adding administrative complexity, eliminating one of the potential cost-saving elements of single-payer: simplicity.



Read more: Why single payer died in Vermont

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Someone explain this in lament terms. I'm a little slow at this.

 

[Calmye]

That wouldn't be why it would fail. The reason Vermont is failed is because:

the article explains how they would do it differently.

 

[Strapped]

Legalization of weed will bring alot of burden on states resources

 

[the cac mamba]

Legalization of weed will bring alot of burden on states resources

yea, all that time and money spent to not win the war on drugs

 

[tru_m.a.c]

the article explains how they would do it differently.

No it doesn't. At least I didn't see it. The article agrees with what I was explaining about Vermont. Vermont failed because you can't pick and choose who in the state is regulated through the single payer system. For Vermont, they didn't want to make multinational corporations a part of the system. Colorado is justing beating around the bush about the same thing. Who are the employers? All including those that cross state lines? No specification means pandering.

The ColoradoCareYES campaign says employers would have to pay a new tax — about 7 percent of a worker's wages into the health co-op, on top of deductions for Social Security and Medicare. Employees would have a payroll tax of about 3 percent. Both employers and workers then would not have to pay premiums to a private health insurer.

Residents would choose their own health-care providers but ColoradoCare would pay the bills, according to the Denver Post.

The ColoradoCaresYes campaign says those taxes would raise enough money to cover children and adults who do not work. They say the plan will cost $3 billion a year but will save $9 billion in health care administration costs compared with the current system.

 

[Strapped]

Double edge sword

 

[a man of the people]

"A single-payer system would destroy our industry. I don't think there's any question about it," Byron McCurdy, board president of the Colorado State Association of Health Underwriters told the Post. He said almost one-fifth of all Colorado jobs are associated with the health-care industry.

im sure this dude is incredibly trustworthy, with no agenda here, but idk

He represents the health insurance industry, and he's not wrong, a single payer system will destroy the for profit health insurance industry as we know it.
But that's not a bad thing.

Someone explain this in lament terms. I'm a little slow at this.

Colorado is trying to do a single payer state-wide system.
A single payer is like medicare, where instead of paying a for profit insurance companies who are incentivized to deny care (since it cut to into their profit) you pay a single state run organization who provides insurance through taxes (in Colorado case through a 10% payroll tax).
The health provider are not directly impacted by that, as this only change how you pay for healthcare, not how you provide it.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

Legalization of weed will bring alot of burden on states resources

Actually that's extra revenue and opens the door for things like Universal Health Care to be on ballots. It's all about having a way to pay for things.

 

[the cac mamba]

i know that theres plenty of drawbacks (that i think can be tweaked and worked out), but i stopped to think

and im tryna imagine voting against universal healthcare i mean shyt idk