Undisputed: UFC 188 Cain Velasquez vs Fabricio Werdum Official Thread

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The G.O.D II

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More accurate puncher/kicker, Cain throws wild looping punches and relies on people going backwards, he has trouble staying in the pocket and getting the better of the exchanges. Cain's wrestling is good, but relies a lot on people just not being that good on the ground or being wrestler with no BJJ

This couldn't be further from the truth. I'm not entirely the specific stat but Cain holds the record for most strikes landed per minute or some shyt like that, which is pretty impressive considering hes a HW. His boxing is solid with a good jab/right cross. His strength is inside boxing. The only person outside of tonight that he had trouble with fighing inside was Kongo.
 
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This couldn't be further from the truth. I'm not entirely the specific stat but Cain holds the record for most strikes landed per minute or some shyt like that, which is pretty impressive considering hes a HW. His boxing is solid with a good jab/right cross. His strength is inside boxing. The only person outside of tonight that he had trouble with fighing inside was Kongo.
Okay, so explain it to me, I am not trying to be a jerk I am talking as if I am gameplaning for the fighter I see right now. Cain comes forward square, he looks to get fighters nervous and exert a lot of energy, how does he do this by throwing lots of punches mostly wide to close distance and work you on the fence and then mostly get people to the ground to set up ground and pound.

The reason he lands the most punches landed per round is the exact game plan from above he fought a limited grappler, applied pressure and then got him down and beat on him, most of his strikes come on the ground on the fence or with him closing distance. The record was probably set in the third Dos Santos fight since he was very dominant in that fight. I will try to be nice, but his boxing is okay I watched him spar about a month ago against a high level guy and if it is just striking he has lots of holes, loops punches, doesn't turn hips with punches and bad range of distance are common problems I witnessed though the fighter he was against could have been part of the problem as well. Cain is a decent striker/boxer, but he is not a world class striker, he is a world class grappler and world class fitness cardio guy and tends to take people down or push a pace to out fit people in his division.

What tonight showed was his flaws when he is in the pocket he still slugs, how many times did he make eye contact when he threw punches, not many, right? Most of his punches he blindly swung at his foe while he looked the other way sort of like Danny Garcia against Amir Khan, but minus the good result. Cain's strength is the clinch and grappling his punches are two wide on the inside unless he wears you out, every punch he throws is wide and not that fast.

He wasn't having trouble fighting 'on the inside' he was having trouble since his biggest strength taking someone down and being busy was taken away since Werdum is a better grappler. Cain was trying to apply pressure, what I assume you mean inside box and work from a clinch and for lack of a better word make it ugly. Werdum threw straighter punches that beat Cain to the punch hence why he was cut open in the first round, it wasn't just the altitude it was also that he was getting hit with punches he didn't see that began to take a toll on him. Styles make fights and Werdum is a tough style for Cain, let's just hope that he can stay healthy
 

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Yes. Just like he handled the shots DC gave him in their fight. Not sayin he would win for sure, but if you think either of them would just dominate a 230-240 pound Jon Jones you're crazy...
HW and LHW are two entirely different divisions. A lot of fighters have learned that the hard way. Jones strengths at 205 become a lot less at HW, he won't have the reach or height advantage he enjoys in most of his fights. We all saw what happened when he fought a guy with similar height and reach.
 

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This is when we all knew Ca-yeeen was done....


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So much jiujitsu this nikka cant even remember where his mouth is :mjlol:
 

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So happy Cain lost aka is a bunch of bytches rockhold is a bytch Cormier is a clown. If you seen the the video Cormier was trying to play the Brazilian in English acting half way like he was his buddy hahaha you guys lost. Rockhold up next weidman gonna eat him
 

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So happy Cain lost aka is a bunch of bytches rockhold is a bytch Cormier is a clown. If you seen the the video Cormier was trying to play the Brazilian in English acting half way like he was his buddy hahaha you guys lost. Rockhold up next weidman gonna eat him
 

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Cain and Werdum aren't the full pledged hw's tho they don't even cut weight as opposed to jones who does. I really do think with jones reach and clinch game it would make things really interesting against werdum. Jones vs Cain would be different because I would have to see how jones reacts to cain's weight being on him. But I feel that striking wise Cain would be overwhelmed by jones. I will say this I am impressed by cain's chin for not getting ko'ed and I get it Werdum doesn't typically knock you out its just he was getting hit with shots and looked extremely gassed. So instead of getting knocked he rather tap which I kinda believe is worse tapping out in front of your own people? Ouch... That altitude did a number on him Werdum's gas tank is super underrated and his chin is underrated too cause he trades often and doesn't mind it at all. Cain has world class wrestling and cardio but it ends there. His chin is solid but his striking isn't really all it's cracked up to me it's just he's relentless he has the stamina to throw multiple wild punches. It's kinda as if he's throwing just to throw. His stand up iq isn't that high.
 

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Have been really jaded by mma and more importantly the UFC lately but what werdum achieved just has a dude like :obama: the way this guy just turned his career around when he went to strikeforce is just :whew:one of the few maybe only pride alums to do it cleanly. Been waiting for someone to do that to Cain since he lucked out against kongo. Both dudes were gassed early but werdum's heart wouldn't yield. Was surprised how much better he was in the stand up and how precise his striking was then that finish.

Just a :salute:performance
 
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