Ultimate Fighting Versus Boxing

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Like many boxing fans, Dana White was looking forward, in early May, to the so-called Fight of the Century—Floyd Mayweather, Jr., vs. Manny Pacquiao. Reached by phone, a couple of days before the bout took place, White called it a “massive mega-fight”; he had bought his own tickets, for seventy-five hundred dollars apiece, even though he doesn’t typically attend fights as a paying customer. White is the president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, or U.F.C., the leading organization in mixed martial arts, a cage-bound entertainment that has, over the past two decades, become a worthy competitor to boxing in the battle for the affections of America’s combat-sport fans.

White has a longstanding interest in boxing, as well as in M.M.A.: one of his early ventures was a clothing line, Bullenbeiser Boxing Gear, that sponsored Mayweather for his first professional fight, in 1996. So when he discusses boxing these days, he speaks equally as a long-suffering fan and as a business rival. As Mayweather vs. Pacquiao loomed, White’s excitement was tempered by frustration and amazement at the chaotic way the match had been promoted; behind-the-scenes disagreements delayed the release of tickets, which weren’t put on sale until nine days before the fight. “As usual, the boxing guys get so greedy,” White said—by ruthlessly angling for maximum profit, the promoters and other organizers had alienated the fans, and each other. “I think this thing will break the pay-per-view record,” he said. “And once the fight’s over, it’s going to break the lawsuit record.”
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As it happened, the fight, which Mayweather won easily, was both an impressive display of boxing technique and, most fans seemed to agree, a disappointment. (A story in this week’s magazine, “The Best Defense,” tells the tale.) Just as White predicted, it was a pay-per-view smash, with at least 4.4 million buys, a new record, bringing in triple the amount of revenue as the previous record-holder. And there were lawsuits, too: dozens of them, filed by fans who accused Pacquiao of misleading them by not disclosing a shoulder injury that, he said, prevented him from being his best. Not long after the fight, White was interviewed on Power 106, the Los Angeles hip-hop station. Jeff G., one of the hosts, noted that the fight had been “lacklustre” and said, “You know who really won that? U.F.C.” He said that compared to boxing, with its anticlimactic mega-fight, U.F.C. had “crazy momentum.”
“Thanks—everybody’s saying that,” White responded, now sounding much more like a rival than a fan. “You know where I didn’t win? I bought eight tickets to that fight.”
Other observers, however, suggested that, because it drew such a huge paying audience, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao could hurt the U.F.C., at least in the short term. The U.F.C. is promoting an enticing pay-per-view broadcast for Saturday night, U.F.C. 187, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, in the same arena that hosted Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. Kevin Iole, who covers both boxing and M.M.A. for Yahoo Sports, suggested that the executives at U.F.C. had already lowered their expectations. “The Mayweather-Pacquiao fight will hurt them badly,” he wrote, predicting that only about three hundred thousand people would order the broadcast. (That would be a relatively low number, considering the relatively high profile of the fighters involved.)
Boxing and M.M.A. have often been viewed as competitors—sometimes by the principals themselves—even though it seems plain that the two sports are not, in fact, engaged in a zero-sum battle for fans. Plenty of fans enjoy both, and plenty enjoy one while finding the other barbaric (in M.M.A., you are allowed—encouraged—to hit your opponent when he or she is down), or distasteful (think of the brutally repetitive nature of some boxing matches, with opponents exchanging hundreds of blows to the head). Fight fans, keenly aware of the wider world’s general disapproval and disdain, can be surprisingly censorious when drawing fine distinctions between different forms of unarmed combat. But because boxing and M.M.A. are run so differently, comparisons can also help fans of each sport appreciate what they’ve got, and what they lack.
In the hours after Mayweather-Pacquiao, White expressed a common reaction, particularly among those accustomed to the speed and unpredictability of M.M.A.: he had been hoping for more action. “I thought Manny would come after him more,” he said. “I thought Manny was going to let the hands fly more than he did.” In the U.F.C., White is known for his willingness to criticize fighters, even winning ones, who fail to entertain; fighters can also earn fifty-thousand-dollar bonuses for exciting performances. Boxing doesn’t have a boss to browbeat fighters who disappoint, or a system to directly reward ones who excel. (Boxers aren’t generally paid extra to win, or to look good, though of course those do both might be able to demand more money for the next fight.) And it is often the case that the biggest boxing matches—Mayweather’s, in particular—are not always the most exciting. Boxing fans hungry for action, which is often a euphemism for violence, got more of it in the weeks after the big fight. The following Saturday, on HBO, Saúl (Canelo) Álvarez laid a quick but brutal beating on James Kirkland. The Saturday after that, also on HBO, a couple of élite boxers, Gennady (Triple G) Golovkin and Román (Chocolatito) González, scored scary and impressive triple-knockdown wins: Golovkin made his opponent quit, mid-round; González battered his opponent so comprehensively that the referee was forced to intervene. The sprawling and messy landscape of boxing offers no shortage of action; the trick is knowing when and where to look.
series backed by Waddell & Reed, the asset-management company. P.B.C., as it is known, has broadcast arrangements with NBC and CBS, as well as a number of cable networks; starting July 11th, P.B.C. will take over boxing programming on ESPN, replacing “Friday Night Fights,” a long-running boxing and boxing news show. Both on television and live, the P.B.C. events are slick and relatively glamorous—the idea, plainly, is to turn fighters into stars. In the short term, this means more and higher-profile boxing matches, which should be good news for fans. But it’s hard not to wonder about the growing influence of Haymon, who doesn’t speak to the media; the world of boxing is a contentious one, but that conversation may grow muffled if many of the most prominent voices are working for the same organization. (Many U.F.C. fights are broadcast on Fox or Fox Sports 1, which provide plenty of well-produced shows but not much in the way of critical coverage.) As one blogger pointed out, the demise of “Friday Night Fights” also means that “casual fight fans will lose the only impartial boxing news source on TV.”
 

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To his credit, Dana White speaks to the media often, and at great length: he is one of the U.F.C.’s most prominent personalities, and he eagerly engages its—which is to say, his— critics. Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was sometimes overshadowed by Mayweather’s history of domestic violence, for which he has never been punished, not least because, in boxing, there is no commissioner or president to punish him. By contrast, White is the U.F.C.’s disciplinarian-in-chief, even though he sometimes seems to be a reluctant one. One of the headliners of U.F.C. 187 is Anthony (Rumble) Johnson, an explosive light heavyweight with a troubling history of domestic violence: he pled no contest to a charge in 2010, and was accused again after a 2012 incident. Last fall, the U.F.C. suspended him, then reinstated him. During an appearance on TSN, the Canadian sports channel, White said that the U.F.C. had conducted its own investigation of the 2012 incident, and found Johnson innocent. “Anthony Johnson was actually the one who was being terrorized in this relationship,” he said. When asked about the earlier charge, White said, “I don’t know exactly what happened to him, then.” This was a surprising and disappointing answer: surely it’s White’s job to know the recent criminal histories of his company’s top stars. Boxing has no one in control, but the U.F.C. has White, who is answerable to fans and the broader public, even when he would rather not be.
At the same time, White has been defending the company’s new sponsorship deal with Reebok, which ends the practice of allowing fighters to find their own sponsors and advertise them on their shorts during fights. Instead of scrambling for advertisers, fighters would be paid set fees, based on the lengths of their U.F.C. careers, ranging from twenty-five hundred dollars, for newcomers, to forty thousand dollars, for champions. U.F.C. fighters tend to be deferential, at least in public, toward the organization that pays them and controls their careers, but the Reebok deal has inspired an unprecedented outpouring. Brendan Schaub, a well-known but struggling heavyweight, took to Twitter to say that he had made “six figures in sponsorship” in all of his six most recent fights; the Reebok deal would earn him only ten thousand dollars for his next fight. (Later in his TSN interview, White chuckled at Schaub’s sponsors, saying, sarcastically, “I’m sure this guy’s making over a hundred thousand dollars a fight.”) Many other fighters have added their voices, including Miesha Tate; Donald (Cowboy) Cerrone, who also fights on Saturday, said he supported the deal, for the long term, though he added that it could cost him sixty thousand dollars per fight in lost revenue.
trying to use frustration with the Reebok deal to position itself as a fighter-friendly alternative.) During that Power 106 interview, White struck a dismissive note when asked about fighters voicing dissatisfaction with the Reebok deal. “These guys don’t get it—these guys are short-sighted, sometimes,” he said, adding, “It’ll blow over.” His message is that the change would be good for everyone: the company, the fans, the athletes. It’s certainly possible that the U.F.C.’s system would serve the interests of boxing fans: if White controlled boxing the way he controls M.M.A., he might have forced Mayweather to fight Pacquiao in 2010, and he might also, under pressure, have punished Mayweather for his domestic-violence record. But such a system would almost certainly be worse for Mayweather, and maybe for many other fighters, too: fighting for a living is unpredictable work, and the people who do it aren’t necessarily wrong to be, as White says, “short-sighted.” White, the voice of the U.F.C., evidently sees himself as an advocate for fighters and fans, too. But as 4.4 million households learned on May 2nd, the interests of fans and fighters and fight promoters don’t always align.

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fukk dana white. he quit boxing because he was worried about his health and brain injuries. then he has the nerve to criticize "boring" fighters and encourage fighters to go to war by giving them huge bonuses to do so. hes a clown as far as im concerned.
 
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every time floyd mayweathe fights they say the same thing, it was great display of boxing skill, but a disappointment

what does that even mean, I watched the fight and the people are giving stand ovation at points after rounds, like the 4th where Pac won a round

lmao, the disappointment is Floyd mayweather neutralized him to the point where he could not be effective

If football game was low passing yards and little to no offense, people celebrate the defensive side of the game even though the game is slowed down, or even when weather conditions limit the pace of the game, it is accepted

Floyd made an offensive dynamo like manny pacquiao disabled, yet he it gets the blame for the fight being boring, which it wasn't, manny was trying to hurt mayweather but couldn't

people are insane, Canelo and GGG both scored KO's, but those fights were not better than the manny and floyd fight by a mile

I don't understand why boxing is the only sport that is disrespected one a constant basis
 

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every time floyd mayweathe fights they say the same thing, it was great display of boxing skill, but a disappointment

what does that even mean, I watched the fight and the people are giving stand ovation at points after rounds, like the 4th where Pac won a round

lmao, the disappointment is Floyd mayweather neutralized him to the point where he could not be effective

If football game was low passing yards and little to no offense, people celebrate the defensive side of the game even though the game is slowed down, or even when weather conditions limit the pace of the game, it is accepted

Floyd made an offensive dynamo like manny pacquiao disabled, yet he it gets the blame for the fight being boring, which it wasn't, manny was trying to hurt mayweather but couldn't

people are insane, Canelo and GGG both scored KO's, but those fights were not better than the manny and floyd fight by a mile

I don't understand why boxing is the only sport that is disrespected one a constant basis


mma gets disrespected too after a boring 'lay n prqay' fight

but is ee where you're comin fomr
 

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Just knee each other

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Boxing shyts on UFC. It will never fukk with boxing. I don't give a fukk what Dana or anyone says.

I like MMA, but it has seriously regressed, the last ppv is another shining example, shyt was horrible and it had action in it, can't even explain

silva made it entertaining doing moves out of the ordinary, most these fights look like some backyard shyt, especially that Arloski and Browne fight

every time I try to put somebody up on MMA, they see that ground shyt, one time the fighters were in a north south position, which has man I can't understand how you fighting somebody and even end u in that position

unless somebody comes out doing bruce lee moves, MMA ain't getting any bigger
 

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I like MMA, but it has seriously regressed, the last ppv is another shining example, shyt was horrible and it had action in it, can't even explain

silva made it entertaining doing moves out of the ordinary, most these fights look like some backyard shyt, especially that Arloski and Browne fight

every time I try to put somebody up on MMA, they see that ground shyt, one time the fighters were in a north south position, which has man I can't understand how you fighting somebody and even end u in that position

unless somebody comes out doing bruce lee moves, MMA ain't getting any bigger
Thing is you can't mix MMA with UFC. MMA been around along time as well as boxing. UFC is new compared to those.
 
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