perhaps the country they're migrating to have established ethnic communities and charitable aid that can help them or they have family there already.
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perhaps the country they're migrating to have established ethnic communities and charitable aid that can help them or they have family there already.
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those countries are psychologically dangerous to the refugee with their mono-cultures and intractable racism and ethnocentricism.
in a lot of those countries they are still fighting the ethnic wars of 7/8 hundred years ago.
the UK is not much better for those who want to get ahead but at least there are enclaves of alternative culture success.
Shunning: The Ultimate Rejection
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5 Ways Emotional Pain Is Worse Than Physical Pain
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But since when did beggars become choosers? If you are fleeing a war torn country shouldn't your first priority be somewhere safe and the rest is secondary?those countries are psychologically dangerous to the refugee with their mono-cultures and intractable racism and ethnocentricism.
in a lot of those countries they are still fighting the ethnic wars of 7/8 hundred years ago.
the UK is not much better for those who want to get ahead but at least there are enclaves of alternative culture success.
Shunning: The Ultimate Rejection
Why do people shun others? What do you do if you are shunned?
5 Ways Emotional Pain Is Worse Than Physical Pain
Which is worse, physical pain or emotional pain?
I think the UK benefits system is the magnet. Let's keep it 100...they won't get that in Turkey, or any of the eastern-stan countries even though those countries are very safe.
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yeah but it is not safe.
people need a relative well-being not an absolute well-being.
it is this principle which means that million dollar alimony is often set to prevent "mental cruelty".
that is why ex-millionaire businessmen throw themselves off tall buildings despite still have a net worth greater than most other people.
these people fleeing war don't want only safety, they want safety + social acceptance.
UN et-al don't mention this .. because to do so would be to shine a light on why "they the civilised european" treat people fleeing war inhumanely.
their self-image is that they are "good" and evidence to the contrary is avoided.
clearly you have never lived in a wealthy country.
where do you get those ideas breh?
i'll take it to 110.
the german, scandanavian, swiss (to name some) benefits systems are far superior to the borderline poverty provided by that in the uk.
not to mention that health standards, cost of living, housing standards and many other markers of standard of living are low in the uk.
the uk is characterised as a low-skill, low wage economy with low living standards.
(that is why boris and then may used to babble about "levelling up" ( and tangentially upping productivity) )
truss/kwarteng spelt out the reality which did it for them.
How the UK became the poor man of northern Europe
A new analysis has found that Britain had the lowest GDP per capita of any north-west European country from 2000-21.
www.newstatesman.com
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in living memory west germany absorbed and modernised a country of some 15 million people.
germany takes far for asylum seekers than the uk (or they used to).
1.5 million immigrants arrived in germany in the space of 18 months in 2015 - 2016.
"Among the six countries with the highest number of applicants were the five most populous EU countries: Germany (roughly 111,000 first-time applicants asked for asylum between January and September), France (87,100), Spain (80,000), the UK (32,000) and Italy (25,000), according to an InfoMigrants data analysis based on Eurostat numbers. The notable exception among the top 6: Greece (which received 47,000 applications)."
Seeking asylum in Europe in 2019: Facts and figures
How many people asked for asylum in the European Union? Where did they come from? In what country did they request asylum? Here’s what you need to know about asylum applications in the EU in 2019.
www.infomigrants.net
2019 while the UK was still in the EU for ease of comparison.
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@voiture
truss:
"Another book by the same authors, Britannia Unchained, was published in September 2012. The book attracted controversy for claiming that "the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor".[68] In 2022, Truss stated that the authors had each written a different chapter of the book; Raab had written the chapter which contained that claim.[68]"
en.wikipedia.org
truss:
"Another book by the same authors, Britannia Unchained, was published in September 2012. The book attracted controversy for claiming that "the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor".[68] In 2022, Truss stated that the authors had each written a different chapter of the book; Raab had written the chapter which contained that claim.[68]"
Liz Truss - Wikipedia
Could of hired the Chinese and it would of been done years ago
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they've botched a lot of other large jobs so idk about that
Mone just has zero shame. Happy to see them fighting though
the next guy
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Joe Biden signals he has no interest in signing US-UK trade agreement
UK ministers had hoped to agree ‘foundational trade partnership’ before both countries head to polls
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Joe Biden signals he has no interest in signing US-UK trade agreement
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Joe warned them
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Rhyme Reason
EU fingerprint checks for British travellers to start in 2024
Under new entry/exit system, facial scans will also be taken from UK passengers on first trip after launch
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Brexit Erased £140 Billion From UK Economy, London Mayor to Say
London Mayor Sadiq Khan on Thursday will blame Brexit for costing the UK economy £140 billion ($178 billion), calling on the government to “urgently” rebuild relations with the European Union to stem the decline.
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Brexit Cost the UK Economy £140 Billion, London Mayor Says
Study suggests UK has 2 million fewer jobs due to EU divorce
Sadiq Khan says ‘mature approach’ needed to forge closer ties
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By Irina Anghel
January 11, 2024 at 5:50 AM EST
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January 11, 2024 at 8:17 AM EST
London Mayor Sadiq Khan on Thursday will blame Brexit for costing the UK economy £140 billion ($178 billion), calling on the government to “urgently” rebuild relations with the European Union to stem the decline.
Britain’s EU divorce has also meant there are 2 million fewer jobs nationwide than there otherwise would have been, including 290,000 lost positions in London, according to research by Cambridge Econometrics commissioned by City Hall that the Labour Party’s Khan will reference in a speech at Mansion House. Half of the total job losses are in financial services and construction.
“The hard-line version of Brexit we’ve ended up with is dragging our economy down and pushing up the cost of living,” Khan will say, according to excerpts released by his office. “The cost of Brexit crisis can only be solved if we take a mature approach and if we are open to improving our trading arrangements with our European neighbors.”
While Khan’s excoriation of Brexit is in tune with the UK’s mainly Remain-voting capital city, it’s at odds with the more cautious line Labour leader Keir Starmer is trying to tread ahead of a general election expected in the second half of the year. A Remainer himself, Starmer is nevertheless seeking to win back the votes of Brexit-supporting former Labour voters in the north of England and the Midlands who switched to the Conservatives in the 2019 election. Starmer said in September there is “no case for rejoining the EU” or its single market and customs union.
Starmer has also said he wants a closer relationship with the EU, but he tends to avoid referring to the negative effects of Brexit, which was backed by 52% of voters in the 2016 referendum that triggered Britain’s exit from the bloc.
UK Economy Is 6% Smaller Because of Brexit
Difference from non-Brexit scenario
Source: Cambridge Econometrics
Britain’s economic output would have hit £2.34 trillion in 2023 if the nation had remained inside the EU, 6% more than the £2.2 trillion it logged, according to Cambridge Econometrics. It predicted the impact will worsen, shaving £311 billion off projected output in 2035 compared to a non-Brexit scenario, equivalent to a 10.1% hit. The analysis uses historical data to predict how the economy of a non-Brexit “counterfactual UK” would have performed.
The report also suggests London’s economy was £30 billion smaller than it would have been without Brexit. The average Londoner was £3,400 worse off in 2023 due to the vote, compared to the £2,000 estimate for the average Briton.
Khan will use the report to make the case for addressing London’s post-Brexit labor shortages with an approach to migration that is “informed by evidence, not prejudice,” as well as pushing for new arrangements with the EU.
“We urgently need to build a closer relationship with the EU,” Khan will say. “A new settlement would not only turbocharge our economy and help to raise living standards, but help to unlock the growth and prosperity we need.”
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s spokesman, Max Blain, dismissed the findings, telling reporters at a regular briefing Thursday the IMF’s forecast for UK economic growth is brighter than for many of its peers. “The UK has grown faster than Italy and Germany since the Brexit referendum in 2016, and faster than Germany since leaving the EU in 2020,” he said.
— With assistance from Emily Ashton and Lucy White
(Updates with comment from Sunak’s spokesman in final paragraph.)
Just remembered this
...but this current crop of MPs might need the help.
Obviously there are existing services they could use (NCS?, DWP?
), but all they know is 'recruiting firms'. Whose friends will get the contracts this time? 
MPs defeated at election to get help finding a new career
Those losing their seats at the next election will get taxpayer-funded advice with landing a new job.
www.bbc.co.uk
At first I thought, as if things weren't cushy enough for MPs (do they really need help attracting more people to run? I wouldn't have thought exit options were putting people off)MPs who lose their seat at the next general election are set to get taxpayer-funded help with finding a new job, the BBC can reveal.
Under a proposed "career transition" scheme, they could receive free advice with tasks such as writing a CV from a designated career coach. Commons officials are looking to hire a recruitment firm to deliver the programme from next year.
The move is part of a push to make being an MP a more attractive career.
Under the plans, support would only be offered to MPs voted out of their job at an election, rather than those choosing to stand down.
It adds that they could also have access to a career coach to help them identify their transferable skills, and write a CV "that stands out in the crowd".
It was proposed that MPs should be advised of the help on offer during the winding-up period they are given to close down their offices after an election.
This period, for which MPs receive their net salary, is set to be extended from two to four months at the next election.
MPs who lose their seat also get a separate payment linked to their time in Parliament, which averaged £5,250 after the last election in 2019.
...but this current crop of MPs might need the help.
Obviously there are existing services they could use (NCS?, DWP?
), but all they know is 'recruiting firms'. Whose friends will get the contracts this time? Pure money heistJust remembered this
MPs defeated at election to get help finding a new career
Those losing their seats at the next election will get taxpayer-funded advice with landing a new job.www.bbc.co.uk
At first I thought, as if things weren't cushy enough for MPs (do they really need help attracting more people to run? I wouldn't have thought exit options were putting people off)
...but this current crop of MPs might need the help.
Obviously there are existing services they could use (NCS?, DWP?
