UFC 207 "The B*tch Is Back": (Rousey/Nunes, Garbrandt/Cruz, & Werdum/Cain) [Fri. 12/30]

[R=G]

I never seen Pernell on the cusp of dropping a grandmaster sexay worm in the ring...

That fight felt like I was watching one of those weird ass white boy break dancing movies...

Thought when dude took the mic he was gon yell you got served...

lol

 

[R=G]

I thought her coach trained her in Boxing. It seems he doesn't know what he's doing if he cant even get her to obtain at least an adequate jab to defend herself.

Tavarian? This guy? Who is he and has he trained any boxing champions? LMAO. She had no head movement...didn't use her legs to work the ring/Octagon and just came forward and got bombed on like it was a street fight. LMAO!

 

[Liu Kang]

Just one of the many differences is in bjj you operate of your back when needed and wrestling you shoot for dbl lef takedowns. Bjj doesn't operate on ground and pound ( Greco or freestyle doesn't but you can incorporate it) wrestling like Matt Hughes involves a very physical almost aggressive style often picks their opponents above the hips (greco) or trippping or pinning your opponent (freestyle). Bjj lets you work out of guard transition and off your back.

Judo generally isn't effective in mma due to lack of gi ( you use it a lot in judo to choke off or grab your opponent) and you need a lot of leverage (close quarters or the cage) or mediocre opposition who can't defend themselves. There is little to no defense known to stop punches or kicks ( see Ron) and no great way to close distance in the middle of the ring/cage without a complimentary stand up skill like boxing or karate/tkd/muay thai.

If she at least had boxing 101 with a decent jab or head movement mixed with wrestling she could have kept Holly or Amanda honest and then either moving forward or backing up shot for a dbl leg takedown and then transition to her judo....but she's got an ego, a terrible coach, awful attitude and won't learn properly.....so she's where she's at now.

So if I understand, I can sum up BJJ as mostly ground work while wrestling is more a mix of stand-up and ground ?
Also, you guys talk about Rousey's boxing but could her having a kicking game à la Aldo have saved her (hypothetically of course) ? I imagine that striking is good for maintaining distance but it seems that kicking also be a good way all while preventing her head to be a easy target because of bad boxing technique. I think Mc Gregor used plenty of kicks (on top of his counters obviously) to keep Diaz at bay in their second fight.

 

[The axe murderer]

Tavarian? This guy? Who is he and has he trained any boxing champions? LMAO. She had no head movement...didn't use her legs to work the ring/Octagon and just came forward and got bombed on like it was a street fight. LMAO!

Bruh and Nunez had 47 punches thrown with 27 landed in 48 seconds. I mean

 

[newarkhiphop]

What' are differences between bjj and wrestling ? Does "grappling" embodies both ?

Bjj is heavier on submissions and holds to finish your opponent, which works well if your strong and strategic enough to get them to the ground quickly,

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

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[Bleed The Freak]

So if I understand, I can sum up BJJ as mostly ground work while wrestling is more a mix of stand-up and ground ?
Also, you guys talk about Rousey's boxing but could her having a kicking game à la Aldo have saved her (hypothetically of course) ? I imagine that striking is good for maintaining distance but it seems that kicking also be a good way all while preventing her head to be a easy target because of bad boxing technique. I think Mc Gregor used plenty of kicks (on top of his counters obviously) to keep Diaz at bay in their second fight.

Wrestling is ground work but there are different forms of it. Freestyle involves tripping or pinning, Greco involves only grabbing above the waist and when you incorporate punches on the ground
( ground and pound) it is brutal.

You negate it with a great jab or leg kicks. She was never going to have great boxing or karate but if she had a jab she can gauge distance, negate aggression and protect her face. She didn't need to be world-class in striking or kicking but if she knew a decent amount from a real trainer and wasn't thickheaded she could have clinched, did some dirty boxing and slowed the onslaught.

Once people realized she couldn't move her head and negated her arm bar she was completely lost.

 

[Liu Kang]

Wrestling is ground work but there are different forms of it. Freestyle involves tripping or pinning, Greco involves only grabbing above the waist and when you incorporate punches on the ground
( ground and pound) it is brutal.

You negate it with a great jab or leg kicks. She was never going to have great boxing or karate but if she had a jab she can gauge distance, negate aggression and protect her face. She didn't need to be world-class in striking or kicking but if she knew a decent amount from a real trainer and wasn't thickheaded she could have clinched, did some dirty boxing and slowed the onslaught.

Once people realized she couldn't move her head and negated her arm bar she was completely lost.

So if I divide MMA in two categories, let's say inside work (bjj, wrestling etc.) and outside (boxing, muay thai etc.), to be a good MMA fighter one would have to be an expert in one category and have at least good defense against the other cat then ?

 

[Bleed The Freak]

So if I divide MMA in two categories, let's say inside work (bjj, wrestling etc.) and outside (boxing, muay thai etc.), to be a good MMA fighter one would have to be an expert in one category and have at least good defense against the other cat then ?

You better be able to defend against anything...but it's also the opponent. To beat Amanda Nunes for instance you pop a clean jab to stop her power shots mix in some leg kicks and upper cuts and she could be in serious trouble. And dart in and out cause she'll get frustrated.

GSP and Silva were athletic freaks in stand up and on the ground but overall...don't get comfortable with your skills. Ronda thought she could do no wrong and never brought in or went to a real team with experts. She had no transition to set-up her ground technique once she couldn't clinch. Before she could simply overpower them but once the talent level went up she was outta her league.

Imho...learn boxing, muay thai/karate/tkd then bjj and wrestling....all fights start standing up.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

 

[True Blue Moon]

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First time seeing the unedited footage of Amanda walking the cage with the shhhh gesture and trying to get out of the cage to talk to Ronda's people before getting grabbed by security. That's a bad bytch

 

[R=G]

You better be able to defend against anything...but it's also the opponent. To beat Amanda Nunes for instance you pop a clean jab to stop her power shots mix in some leg kicks and upper cuts and she could be in serious trouble. And dart in and out cause she'll get frustrated.

GSP and Silva were athletic freaks in stand up and on the ground but overall...don't get comfortable with your skills. Ronda thought she could do no wrong and never brought in or went to a real team with experts. She had no transition to set-up her ground technique once she couldn't clinch. Before she could simply overpower them but once the talent level went up she was outta her league.

Imho...learn boxing, muay thai/karate/tkd then bjj and wrestling....all fights start standing up.

What u said in the first paragraph sounds like things that the girl who beat Holly does well. Can't say her last name right..schvenko or something.

 

[FromBillionsCameOne]

So if I understand, I can sum up BJJ as mostly ground work while wrestling is more a mix of stand-up and ground ?
Also, you guys talk about Rousey's boxing but could her having a kicking game à la Aldo have saved her (hypothetically of course) ? I imagine that striking is good for maintaining distance but it seems that kicking also be a good way all while preventing her head to be a easy target because of bad boxing technique. I think Mc Gregor used plenty of kicks (on top of his counters obviously) to keep Diaz at bay in their second fight.

wrestling doesn't include submissions which BJJ does. Kicking IS "striking" along with punching, elbows and knees and whatever else you can "throw" and absolutely kicking can help keep distance.

 

[aceboon]

What u said in the first paragraph sounds like things that the girl who beat Holly does well. Can't say her last name right..schvenko or something.

Yea, Valentina, Nunes beat her 2 rounds to 1 but was fading badly in that fight, she got a #1 contender fight coming up so if she wins they got a rematch due. Valentina got the best technical striking in that division but not the pop that Nunes got.

 

[R=G]

Yea, Valentina, Nunes beat her 2 rounds to 1 but was fading badly in that fight, she got a #1 contender fight coming up so if she wins they got a rematch due. Valentina got the best technical striking in that division but not the pop that Nunes got.

She kicks real hard though..I remember that. Play to your strengths and make it work.